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No one is trying to force anybody into anything. I am simply advocating a voluntary system of children going during free time during school hours for a few moments of prayer.
Not sure when you think there is so much free time in school. My son's time at school is pretty much classes all day long. There is no "free time". Why are you so adamant on this being during school time? There is plenty of time after school, on weekends, etc. for parents and children to participate in their faith.
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I find it funny that all those who have absolutely no interest in religion is so very vocal and in fact worried if men mention of God.
Yes, you are right. I have no interest in religion and have no interest in it during my son's school time.
And for the record, I have a degree in theology. That is also why I became an atheist.
I find it funny that all those who have absolutely no interest in religion is so very vocal and in fact worried if men mention of God.
I find it funny that someone wants to impress their religious beliefs upon my children, and is in fact threatened by the very mention of absolute separation of church and state.
Currently, your children are allowed to do exactly as you posted, in the section I have bolded for your reference. So nothing needs to change..
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No one is trying to force anybody into anything. I am simply advocating a voluntary system of children going during free time during school hours for a few moments of prayer.
It would completely be up to the parents, who is at all times responsible 24 hours a day seven days a week 365 days a year to always know where the child is; Inside a house at school during play dates, a healthy parent-child relationship as one of which a child listens and follows to the structure and educational vantage a parent offers.
I find it funny that all those who have absolutely no interest in religion is so very vocal and in fact worried if men mention of God.
I find it funny that someone wants to impress their religious beliefs upon my children, and is in fact threatened by the very mention of absolute separation of church and state.
Again. No one is trying to impress anything upon you, or your children. Church and state is absolute. Volunteering a few minutes with the approval and encouragement of parents to pray, and think about God, for those, and only those who advocate it for their own children, would be a wholesome and growing, (uplifting) experience. And very educational.
A daily dose of a few minutes with God, would help all. (O.K. except for you and your like, and their children!)
A volunteer coming to the school to encourage this atmoshpere and "educate" children with this way of life would be extremely beneficial for those and only for those who are interested.
I advocate a daily dosage, just like any other educational experience that requires continues repititious review and support.
Again. No one is trying to impress anything upon you, or your children. Church and state is absolute. Volunteering a few minutes with the approval and encouragement of parents to pray, and think about God, for those, and only those who advocate it for their own children, would be a wholesome and growing, (uplifting) experience. And very educational.
You don't read the posts do you?
your children are allowed to do that so the system doesn't need to change
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A daily dose of a few minutes with God, would help all. (O.K. except for you and your like, and their children!)
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A daily dose of a few minutes with my God, would help all. (O.K. except for you and your like[filthy heathens], and their children!)
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A volunteer coming to the school to encourage this atmoshpere and "educate" children with this way of life would be extremely beneficial for those and only for those who are interested.
this is getting repetitive, they are allowed and happen on many places.
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I advocate a daily dosage, just like any other educational experience that requires continues repititious review and support.
The problem is that we don't live in a theocracy. So no setting up a formal time with any sort of directed religious activity is wrong, in a public school setting. If you wish to have school time set aside specifically for religious observation you are free to homeschool your children or send them to private school. Alternately your children can choose to pray individually during the school day.
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Again. No one is trying to impress anything upon you, or your children. Church and state is absolute. Volunteering a few minutes with the approval and encouragement of parents to pray, and think about God, for those, and only those who advocate it for their own children, would be a wholesome and growing, (uplifting) experience. And very educational.
A daily dose of a few minutes with God, would help all. (O.K. except for you and your like, and their children!)
A volunteer coming to the school to encourage this atmoshpere and "educate" children with this way of life would be extremely beneficial for those and only for those who are interested.
I advocate a daily dosage, just like any other educational experience that requires continues repititious review and support.
Have various clergy men, and religious people volunteer time at public schools to encourage and support young children on a daily quest with God.
Address that point - and you need not split it into so many lines!
look why do you still feel the need to involve public schools in this? when do you propose the religious people try that? at their lunch time? how is this any different that harassing children to try to get them to a faith? Im sure you are aware by now that there are many options available which don't break the constitution.
If the parents feel that strongly that their child should be reminded every living moment that their religion is right, then they can just send them to a religiously funded private school where they can take a more "hands on approach".
I know you wish that the entire school would spend some time to pray everyday but, as the name suggests, public schools are open for anyone meaning that kids of people from all faiths will attend them and they sure as hell don't want other religions to be crammed down their gullets
Its sort of like the man who spends his days down in the high street asking strangers if they have found jesus. "im not forcing my religion on anyone" he'll say as he spends the day following you while preaching
I don't think schools have the right to force any one religion on any child. Then you are saying yours is the one that matters and other religions are wrong. What prayers could be said that are generic? The poster who suggested educating about all the different religions, I agree with. Give children the option to pick or not pick. But there are so many people from all over the world with their own religions who would not want their child subjected to one particular organized religion. Religion is private.
So what do you propose? They bus in a rabbi from the nearest synagogue an hour away for me- the only Jewish student in a high school of over 2500 people? What about an imam for the few Muslim students? Or do we just get left out of this little plan?
Silly me, I thought religion was something that's personal. If you knew anything about high school, you'd know that the students who go to the ALREADY ESTABLISHED religion clubs (we had 5 Christian before and after school clubs), it has nothing to do with religion.
And what free time? When I was in high school 2 years ago, we had 5 minutes to run between classes- often between buildings, out to the trailers, or clear across campus, and 15 minutes for lunch INCLUDING the time it took to get to the cafeteria from the classroom. Free time? Hah.
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