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Old 03-20-2011, 08:15 PM
 
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The primaries are suppose to root out the contenders for each political party... should we have primaries anymore? Should anyone who want to run be allowed to run? I know you can switch to independent but given how Republicans and Democrats have "regulated" the political arena, it gives their candidates an obvious advantage... should anyone who wishes to run be allowed to run... the problem I can see is if we have too many candidates and someone eeks by 1% to win and everyone is upset... also voter tampering would be HUGE in these cases, whereas today nobody seems to care about illegal votes...
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Old 03-20-2011, 09:05 PM
 
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The primaries are suppose to root out the contenders for each political party... should we have primaries anymore? Should anyone who want to run be allowed to run? I know you can switch to independent but given how Republicans and Democrats have "regulated" the political arena, it gives their candidates an obvious advantage... should anyone who wishes to run be allowed to run... the problem I can see is if we have too many candidates and someone eeks by 1% to win and everyone is upset... also voter tampering would be HUGE in these cases, whereas today nobody seems to care about illegal votes...
There was no point in having the last one, on the dem side.

Howard Dean engineered Obama. If things went right, we would have president Clinton right now. I'm not saying that would be any better, but Dean made sure Hillary had no chance of winning.

For example.... Michigan Democratic primary, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 03-20-2011, 09:07 PM
 
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I think you give Howard Dean too much credit... one man is going to change a race...
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Old 03-20-2011, 09:40 PM
 
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I think you give Howard Dean too much credit... one man is going to change a race...
Of course he's not alone........... but he did X Michigan. Coincidentally, Hillary had 56% of the vote there.

Michigan Democratic primary, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read it.
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Old 03-21-2011, 06:47 AM
 
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It seems to me that the Republicans messed up Hillary's chances by messing around with the primary and hence broken DNC rules.... even though those are the Democrat's rules.... it doesn't mention anything about Howard Dean... I know it was a crushing blow to Clinton but that wasn't the only state where she lost some votes and it still wouldn't make a difference because Obama won by wider margins...
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Old 03-21-2011, 08:52 AM
 
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It seems to me that the Republicans messed up Hillary's chances by messing around with the primary and hence broken DNC rules.... even though those are the Democrat's rules.... it doesn't mention anything about Howard Dean... I know it was a crushing blow to Clinton but that wasn't the only state where she lost some votes and it still wouldn't make a difference because Obama won by wider margins...
That's because it's Wikipedia. The hero of the liberal point of view.

Make no mistake, as chairman of the DNC, Dean made it happen.
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Old 03-21-2011, 09:32 AM
 
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Whaddya mean 'should WE have primaries anymore'?

Primaries are functions of private political parties. Only the members of the respective parties get to (supposedly) decide when/where/how their candidates are chosen.

Don't be misled by the fact that government money is provided for the primaries. In fact, we should probably force both parties to pay for using the government polling stations.
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Old 03-21-2011, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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The primaries are suppose to root out the contenders for each political party... should we have primaries anymore? Should anyone who want to run be allowed to run? I know you can switch to independent but given how Republicans and Democrats have "regulated" the political arena, it gives their candidates an obvious advantage... should anyone who wishes to run be allowed to run... the problem I can see is if we have too many candidates and someone eeks by 1% to win and everyone is upset... also voter tampering would be HUGE in these cases, whereas today nobody seems to care about illegal votes...
OMG, what a circus it would be if anyone and everyone could have his name on the ballot? Of course we have to have primaries or conventions, or something. Yes, the two main parties do have a decided advantage but that certainly doesn't suggest primaries should cease.

Nita
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Old 03-21-2011, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Of course he's not alone........... but he did X Michigan. Coincidentally, Hillary had 56% of the vote there.

Michigan Democratic primary, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read it.
There was a lot more to her losing than Dean...She peaked too soon, Obama had a machine everyone under estimated, he was new and fresh, and made promises others could not or would not make. Of course most of what he promised hasn't happened, but he made them anyway. No, Hillary's loss was not created by Dean. Of course he had something to do with it, there are always many things that can affect our choices, never 1 or 2 things.

Nita
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Old 03-21-2011, 10:14 AM
 
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hillary probably wouldve lost as well.
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