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Old 06-28-2011, 03:09 PM
 
Location: vista
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So you think Perry would have a chance to beat Obama? Please delineate how you believe this would happen in light of the fact that the rest of the country is much more socially liberal than Texas.

Ignore 'flize'. He's a student in France formerly known as 'renaudfr' and 'wonderful jella'. He's now posing as a Texan living in San Antonio.
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Old 06-28-2011, 04:16 PM
 
Location: #
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Rick Perry is a 10th amendment guy. He thinks the feds need to get out of the way on a lot of issues and let the states decide with their state and locally elected politicians. What works for Texas doesn't necessarily work for Vermont and vice versa. You have the freedom to vote with your feet by deciding where you want to live. He wrote a whole book on it. Read it.

I can't speak for Bachmann. I wouldn't vote for her (or Santorum, Paul, Gingrich) because they lack governing experience.
Rick Perry wants the feds to get out of the way until we need money here in Texas. Then he cozies up to them.
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Old 07-02-2011, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Rick Perry wants the feds to get out of the way until we need money here in Texas. Then he cozies up to them.
Yep, what we have in perry is a typical republican hypocrite.
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Old 07-02-2011, 04:49 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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Ignore 'flize'. He's a student in France formerly known as 'renaudfr' and 'wonderful jella'. He's now posing as a Texan living in San Antonio.
flize, renaudfr, jellal & sanrene are all the same person.
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Old 07-02-2011, 06:28 PM
 
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Regardless of your feelings, or mine, social issues are not the concern of the Pres of the USA or of the governor except to sign them.
Untrue; past presidents have put social issues (usually abortion) front and center with specific intent, not merely acting as bystanders waiting with a signature or veto pen, the way you characterize it.

1984: the Reagan Administration announces the "Mexico City Policy," denying funds to foreign organizations that perform or promote abortion as a family-planning tool in other nations.

1987: President Reagan announces that Title 10 funds won't be offered to programs giving counseling and referral for abortion services as a family planning method, the "gag rule."

1993: President Clinton issues five executive orders regarding abortion issues. They include: 1) reversing Title 10 regulations banning abortion referral by federal employees; 2) repealing the Mexico City Policy; 3) lifting the ban on funding for fetal tissue transplants; 4) instructing military hospitals to perform abortions; and 5) asking the FDA to review the import ban on RU 486.

"Don't Ask, Don't Tell" originated with Bill Clinton, as a compromise to get the military to move away from its stricter policies. He campaigned on allowing gays to serve openly, but when that proved impossible to accomplish, he, not Congress, came up with DADT.

When George W. Bush was first made president, one of his first acts was to go back to the ban on Federal employee abortion referrals.

Additionally, Supreme Court justices are often selected by the President (and opposed by the other party) for social issue reasons.

Social issues are very often the concern of presidents. Their "bully pulpit" isn't always for economic or military topics - it's often used for a social issue agenda.
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Old 07-02-2011, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Untrue; past presidents have put social issues (usually abortion) front and center with specific intent, not merely acting as bystanders waiting with a signature or veto pen, the way you characterize it.

1984: the Reagan Administration announces the "Mexico City Policy," denying funds to foreign organizations that perform or promote abortion as a family-planning tool in other nations.

1987: President Reagan announces that Title 10 funds won't be offered to programs giving counseling and referral for abortion services as a family planning method, the "gag rule."

1993: President Clinton issues five executive orders regarding abortion issues. They include: 1) reversing Title 10 regulations banning abortion referral by federal employees; 2) repealing the Mexico City Policy; 3) lifting the ban on funding for fetal tissue transplants; 4) instructing military hospitals to perform abortions; and 5) asking the FDA to review the import ban on RU 486.

"Don't Ask, Don't Tell" originated with Bill Clinton, as a compromise to get the military to move away from its stricter policies. He campaigned on allowing gays to serve openly, but when that proved impossible to accomplish, he, not Congress, came up with DADT.

When George W. Bush was first made president, one of his first acts was to go back to the ban on Federal employee abortion referrals.

Additionally, Supreme Court justices are often selected by the President (and opposed by the other party) for social issue reasons.

Social issues are very often the concern of presidents. Their "bully pulpit" isn't always for economic or military topics - it's often used for a social issue agenda.
The only control over social issues a Pres really has is the Supreme court nomination and they have to get approval. I am not saying the Pres can not or does not have the ability to introduce ideas, but they do not make the decisions. They can veto, they can not pass into law. And very few social issues do end up as part of their adgenda. You have given a few examples, but think of how few that is, compared to how many other things have transpired in the past 30 years. GW was oppossed to abortion but he made no attempt to push the Supreme Court, which was and is right wing leaning, into even discussing Roe versus Wade for expample.

Nita
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Old 07-04-2011, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Why do people like Authoritarians?
People like decisiveness. Don't get them mixed up.
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Old 10-20-2011, 04:14 PM
 
Location: #
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Ohoho so much Perry threads from liberals.I know some people scared about Perry's accomplishments
Yeah, we are pretty scared, aren't we.

Three months later....not so much.
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Old 10-20-2011, 11:06 PM
 
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So you think Perry would have a chance to beat Obama? Please delineate how you believe this would happen in light of the fact that the rest of the country is much more socially liberal than Texas.

We have much more important things to worry about in America than minor social issues.

To me, they are a non issue until we get the country on the right track economically

I would not vote for Perry although it would be hard for him to be as bad as Obama or Bush
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Old 10-21-2011, 06:27 AM
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Perry is even behind Bachmann in Iowa for sixth(Cain, Romney, Paul,Gringrich, Bachmann). At this rate, Pee Wee Herman would be ahead of Perry if he was running...

2012 Iowa Republican Caucus - Rasmussen Reports™
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