Election alert! Ohio set to rebuke GOP on public sector unions (generation, billion)
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But, really, I don't think I've ever seen a late-campaign poll showing a 20+ margin be wrong on the outcome. They may well be off on the percentages, but most polls are showing a 20+ lead.
Dont tell the union types what day the election is.
If they cannot figure it out for themselves then let them screw it up.
Nancy said they are stupid and need direction, now I believe her.
Hey- the election has been changed to Thursday and we are giving away free food and beer, bet they show up on Thursday.
Don't tell them how to read a ballot either.
I guess there is a lot of confusion about the wording of the issue.
But in the end, it won't matter if the union goons/leftists overturn the bill.
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Many Republican legislators believe that if labor emerges triumphant next week, the reform fights on issues such as the health insurance premiums paid by state employees or an end to binding arbitration can be fought for again—albeit this time as individual measures rather than as parts of a complex package.
“Gov. Kasich and I are not the kind of people who go home and hide in the basement. If Issue Two loses but still does reasonably well, we will have no problem picking up the pieces and running them again.”
Incrementally. The unions are out in force with their usual scare tactics, but I can't see the voters objected to the union member paying their fair share and getting off the back of the taxpayer.
But, really, I don't think I've ever seen a late-campaign poll showing a 20+ margin be wrong on the outcome. They may well be off on the percentages, but most polls are showing a 20+ lead.
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Specifically, the memo referred to three recent Ohio ballot initiatives in which polls were off by wide margins: a 2004 same sex marriage ban, a 2005 election reform measure and a 2009 measure to build casinos.”
This is why the Left/unions are a bit nervous about touting a big, big victory.
Ohio lost how many seats in Congress this time around, two? Looks like they want to lose even more. They're on the fast track to irrelevance.
It does seem that way. Ohio was a great place to grow up, get an education, have a career, and raise a family, but I don't see a bright future ahead. Most of our grown children head for more vibrant cities like Denver, Austin, Dallas, Houston, Portland, Seattle, and Washington, D.C. while we retirees often relocate to more places with more hospitable climates and taxes. It's a shame because Ohio had so much to offer in the past, but seems to be clueless about the future.
You've got that backwards, it's the fat cat fascist right wing tea baggers that are destroying communities by giving lavish paying jobs on taxpayer dime and handouts to their corporate cronies, while trying to destroy hard working middle class families to pay for it,..
Hahahaha! That's laughable! The Tea Partiers I know are all ordinary people going to their day job trying to make a living in this lousy economy while they are being threatened by people like you with higher taxes, strikes, and, yes, violence (we all know how the unions operate) if we don't agree to maintain and even increase your cushy salaries and benefits packages!
Damn! You people are insane. WE pay your salaries. And when our taxes go up because of YOUR union dealing (arm twisting), we have to sacrifice more and adjust our lives in order to continue to make ends meet, while you people can go buy a new car! We have to keep repairing the old one.
Corporations don't give "lavish paying jobs" on the taxpayer dime!! They pay employees out of profits that they EARN. Further, they would have no interest in "destroying hard working middle class families". Why would they do that? They would have no buyers for their products!
More California envy! Seems to be pervasive on this board. Can't say I blame any of you. It's great here!
Dem Gov Brown has proposed sweeping reforms of govt worker pensions and benifits in California.
But Brown's approach is to bargain with the unions out of a position of mutual respect, and seek compromise and concensus.
It is the exact opposite of the approach by the governors in the Republican States, where the plan is to destroy the unions and do the bidding of their corporate masters, by further eroding the standards of wages and benefits available to the middle class, already well on the way toward minimum-wage/ no benefit serfdom in many states. (And, not incidentally, to destroy a major source of campaign funds for their Democratic opposition).
That is what is at stake in Ohio tomorrow. There is power in a union!
I agree with you to a point, it is great living out here where we have the best weather, and no alligators to put up with.
However i cannot stand Brown, and why he got voted in again, is beyond me. Never thought much of him before, and i like him even less now.
I don't think he is good for the State, but morons voted him in once again, so you get what you deserve.
Hahahaha! That's laughable! The Tea Partiers I know are all ordinary people going to their day job trying to make a living in this lousy economy
This is the typical tea party demographic. A group of individuals working jobs sweeping floors and other menial positions that comes home at the end of the day, turns on fox or trolls internet forums blaming "the liberals rabble-rabble!" for their failures in life.
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while they are being threatened by people like you with higher taxes, strikes, and, yes, violence (we all know how the unions operate) if we don't agree to maintain and even increase your cushy salaries and benefits packages!
Someone needs to turn off the fox news/Beck brainwashing. The only violence and thuggery going on has been from the tea party radicals.
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Originally Posted by nononsenseguy
Damn! You people are insane. WE pay your salaries. And when our taxes go up because of YOUR union dealing (arm twisting), we have to sacrifice more and adjust our lives in order to continue to make ends meet, while you people can go buy a new car! We have to keep repairing the old one.
Those damn teachers that went to college and gradschool for years, police and firefighters that went to the academies, putting their lives on the line every day to protect the citizen of america to just receive national average wages at best,...what a bunch of greedy thugs they are
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Corporations don't give "lavish paying jobs" on the taxpayer dime!!
Not directly, but corporate owned puppets like Walker and other GOP goons do
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They pay employees out of profits that they EARN.
I gotcha, so when right wing hacks give lavish government jobs it's because they "earned" that pay such as in wisconsin with scott walker giving a $81,500 a year government job to one of his crony campaign donors highly under-qualified son's?
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they would have no interest in "destroying hard working middle class families". Why would they do that? They would have no buyers for their products!
Like other hard right nations, to keep the "peasants" just that, to beg for jobs, work horrible conditions for next to no pay, no child labor laws, 12-14 hour work days, etc,.. leading to forcing these workers to buy their cheap crap made in china as they simply can not afford anything else. If the right had their way, i'm sure it would return to the days when workers didn't even get pay, rather tokens to buy overpriced item's from the company's store.
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I find your arguments just plain silly!
I agree, those that supported, and still defend the tea baggers must have some kind of stockholm syndrome.
They promised "Less spending!" then as the first thing on the agenda coming into the house they held the nation hostage and forced through over 700 billion in new, unpaid for spending to bankroll the rich
They howled "less government!" "pro-constitution!" Though voted almost unanimously to renew the biggest government and most anti-constitution bill likely ever enacted, the patriot act.
They refused to cut a penny of the right's outrageous spending leading to the nation's credit being downgraded.
And lastly promised "Job creation is #1!" though have created none.
It's no wonder the backlash against these right wing thugs in Wisconsin, Ohio and nationwide have been monumental, they are hell bent on destroying the middle class and the nation, it's good to see the fighters for freedom are standing up against the fascist right and their attacks on the middle class
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