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I've noticed that the word 'electability' seems to carry a lot of weight with Republican primary voters, and they like to claim that Dr. Ron Paul has none. I realize this has become 'conventional wisdom', but if history is any guide, conventional wisdom is seldom very wise. I'd just like to give my thoughts on the matter.
Most Republicans have stated that they will vote for whoever gets the nomination, because they MUST defeat Obama come November. Ron Paul supporters, on the other hand, have made it clear that unless Paul is the nominee, they'll be voting for a 3rd party candidate, writing in Ron Paul, or skipping the whole thing completely. As you know from my posts, I happen to belong to that group. Many Republican strategists have come to the realization that no Republican candidate can win in November without the support of the Ron Paul people, as has been evidenced by their pronunciations over the last few weeks. This leaves the Republican party in a quandary. Do they nominate someone who will NOT get the support they need to win in November, or do they nominate the ONLY candidate who can garner ALL the votes it will take to unseat Obama?
Many people here on C-D have advised the Ron Paul supporters to give up on Paul because he's 'unelectable'. My advice to them is this... If you want to get rid of Obama you'd better get behind Ron Paul, because without him you CAN'T WIN.
You can't blackmail voters into supporting a candidate. Actually, I am beginning to think that the Republican Party is so divided right now, I am not sure any of the canididates, when nominated can win.
You can't blackmail voters into supporting a candidate. Actually, I am beginning to think that the Republican Party is so divided right now, I am not sure any of the canididates, when nominated can win.
Actually if you know it or not McCain lost because of Ron Paul :-)
In 2008 do you think we voted for McCain. Think about it and remember our constitututional princples and vote accordingly. The Ron Paul people are just holding republicans to the fire on what small government really is its not our fault republicans love big government and fox news propoganda.
IF the est. put up someone with a RECORD of limited government, didnt support tarp bailouts and lobbying for global warming, romney care and prescription drug programs and the printing press of the FED MAYBE you wont have to worry about Ron Paul people.
You can't blackmail voters into supporting a candidate. Actually, I am beginning to think that the Republican Party is so divided right now, I am not sure any of the canididates, when nominated can win.
That is my point exactly, if you want one that CAN win, you want Ron Paul!
You can't blackmail voters into supporting a candidate.
I don't see anyone trying to blackmail anybody here. I see some very good points regarding the "electability" of the candidates.
The fact is, there are more registered Democrats than registered Republicans. So if it comes down to a straight R vs D election, the D's are guaranteed the win.
So if the Republican party - namely, the ABO crowd - wants to have a snowball's chance in Hell of winning the election in November, they need to field a candidate that will have appeal beyond the party faithful. Only one of the four candidates is likely to appeal enough to the independent and third-party voters that the 'Pubs need to pull off this election; but at this point most of the partisans are being swayed by the pretty face.
Actually if you know it or not McCain lost because of Ron Paul :-)
In 2008 do you think we voted for McCain. Think about it and remember our constitututional princples and vote accordingly. The Ron Paul people are just holding republicans to the fire on what small government really is its not our fault republicans love big government and fox news propoganda.
IF the est. put up someone with a RECORD of limited government, didnt support tarp bailouts and lobbying for global warming, romney care and prescription drug programs and the printing press of the FED MAYBE you wont have to worry about Ron Paul people.
Are there 10 million Paul voters out there? Or rather, did nearly 10 million stay home and not vote? McCain lost by just under 10 million. Barr received ~500,000 votes. So, if every Paul/Barr supporter voted would it be that high?
I ask honestly. Of course, this does not take into account the electoral college and how states may have shifted (I do not have the capability to do that research and make it worth my while ) but on a purely popular vote standard I would be surprised if there were that many Paul supporters out there.
Again, I ask honestly and please inform me because I am ignorant to the numbers.
That is my point exactly, if you want one that CAN win, you want Ron Paul!
He certainly would be in the same boat if nominated. He wouldn't carry as much of the vote actually. I have nothing against Dr. Paul but his views are extreme to many voters.
I don't see anyone trying to blackmail anybody here. I see some very good points regarding the "electability" of the candidates.
The fact is, there are more registered Democrats than registered Republicans. So if it comes down to a straight R vs D election, the D's are guaranteed the win.
So if the Republican party - namely, the ABO crowd - wants to have a snowball's chance in Hell of winning the election in November, they need to field a candidate that will have appeal beyond the party faithful. Only one of the four candidates is likely to appeal enough to the independent and third-party voters that the 'Pubs need to pull off this election; but at this point most of the partisans are being swayed by the pretty face.
Its the same tactic the Tea Party uses, we won't vote for your candidate it we don't get our way! It is trying to 'blackmail' for lack of a better word the voters to your way of thinking. This is the problem in the Republican party right now. It does not lend itself to winning a general election.
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) but on a purely popular vote standard I would be surprised if there were that many Paul supporters out there.
