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Murdered by obama's Fast And Furious gunning running to drug lords
Remembering Brian Terry on His 42nd Birthday
Today would be Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry's 42nd birthday. Terry was shot in killed in the Arizona desert on December 15, 2010.
Two guns left at his murder scene traced back to Operation Fast and Furious.
More than two years later, the family still doesn't have many answers and the Department of Justice coverup of the operation is worse than ever. But despite this fact, just search for justice and closure is ongoing.
They also continue to call for the release of related documents and emails sought by Congressional investigators that the obama Justice Department refuses to disclose.
How quickly the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" make lame attempts to blame guns when it suits their agenda
By the same token, notice how quickly a liberal will jettison their usual "logic" of blaming the gun in order to defend Pres. Obama and Gen. Holder.
This case does provide a teachable moment for the libs. Does anyone doubt that had the BATF not been shipping out guns to the Mexican drug gangs, that these gangs would have found some other willing supplier? I think the answer is an obvious yes, and there is just the tiniest probability that Terry would still be alive had 'Fast and Furious' never existed.
It's a principle that would seem to be quite obvious. Think about the computer you are using to read my post here. Suppose that particular manufacturer and the particular vendor you bought it from, had never existed. Would you still be reading my post? Of course you would, just with a different machine. It's so obvious, right? But yet it is something that many libs struggle to grasp.
Hopefully libs will remember this teachable moment next time one of their people proposes yet another gun ban, but of course they won't.
By the same token, notice how quickly a liberal will jettison their usual "logic" of blaming the gun in order to defend Pres. Obama and Gen. Holder.
This case does provide a teachable moment for the libs. Does anyone doubt that had the BATF not been shipping out guns to the Mexican drug gangs, that these gangs would have found some other willing supplier? I think the answer is an obvious yes, and there is just the tiniest probability that Terry would still be alive had 'Fast and Furious' never existed.
It's a principle that would seem to be quite obvious. Think about the computer you are using to read my post here. Suppose that particular manufacturer and the particular vendor you bought it from, had never existed. Would you still be reading my post? Of course you would, just with a different machine. It's so obvious, right? But yet it is something that many libs struggle to grasp.
Hopefully libs will remember this teachable moment next time one of their people proposes yet another gun ban, but of course they won't.
It is a lesson lost on both parties. Remember Reagan allowed the Iran-Contra foolishness, which did nothing for our struggle with Iran but plunged Nicaragua into a 20 year civil war that created the drug cartels, which, in turn, created our multi-billion dollar War On Drugs failure and has now put our closest southern ally, Mexico, into deep jeopardy another 20 years later. Banning guns was not the solution then or now. Banning drugs was, and is, the problem.
There is always going to be some pimple-brain in our government who will cook up a very stupid plan and sell it to his boss, intended to be some short term gain on a big deep problem. It took 6 Presidents 40 years to finally figure out that allowing the CIA to dink around with the governments of other countries was not a good idea. The rule of unintended consequences always wins out in the end.
I believe Ron Paul was mostly right on this one, but his thoughts were too simple and too drastic. To retain our position as the most powerful nation in the world requires a lot of intelligent and careful people in our Congressional oversight committees, the White House Administrations, and all our branches of government.
The essential question we need to debate and decide is whether we want to be the Number One Power any more, or if we want some other country to take our place. For sure, if we don't want the responsibility, another nation will gladly take over, and everything has unforeseen consequences.
The solution to prevent Terry's death was simple. If we had legalized pot 20 years ago, Brian Terry would never have had his job. There would not have been any need for it. Brian Terry would have been a cop someplace right now.
Marijuana is the bread and butter of the drug industry, and everything else is just the gravy. Legalize pot, and the money for all the other junk dries up. As long as pot is illegal, it's expensive. When pot becomes as cheap as tobacco, and as easily available, the big money disappears and our efficiency at controlling the chemicals that make all the other drugs kicks in. It is cheap and easy for the cartels to grow pot, but it's damned expensive to build a chemical factory and hire the skilled guys needed to run it.
The United States has the means to control chemicals, but it will never be able to control an agricultural crop that grows all over the world very well. I don't smoke pot, but after 60 years of seeing it coming in from all our borders, it is obvious that a lot of folks want it, and there will always be a way it is provided.
Until legalization is in all 50 states, more Brian Terrys will die. They probably won't die by illegally supplied American guns any longer, but there will always be some stupid lethal plan that will kill them. The drug problem is the easiest to fix of all, but the longer as we putz around, the greater the unintended consequences will be.
Last edited by banjomike; 08-12-2012 at 01:43 PM..
Remember Reagan allowed the Iran-Contra foolishness, which did nothing for our struggle with Iran but plunged Nicaragua into a 20 year civil war that created the drug cartels, which, in turn, created our multi-billion dollar War On Drugs failure and has now put our closest southern ally, Mexico, into deep jeopardy another 20 years later.
Revisionist history.....
Nicaragua was already in a state of civil war which was the entire reason Iran-Contra happened at all.
We weren't in s struggle with Iran at that time. Iran was at war with Iraq and we exchanged some small arms and satellite intelligence with Iran to offset the help Russia was giving Iraq.
Watching Iran and Iraq blow each other up was fine by us.....they were both too busy to make any plans to attack US interests.
Nicaragua was already in a state of civil war which was the entire reason Iran-Contra happened at all.
We weren't in s struggle with Iran at that time. Iran was at war with Iraq and we exchanged some small arms and satellite intelligence with Iran to offset the help Russia was giving Iraq.
Watching Iran and Iraq blow each other up was fine by us.....they were both too busy to make any plans to attack US interests.
Exactly wrong. The gun walking started in 2006 under President Bush and was reassessed and modified under the Obama Administration. In each administration, neither Bush or Obama were ever aware of the gun walking programs. It was under the direction of the ATF and DEA and totally controlled by the ATF and DEA. Since in republican circles, S#!t only rolls uphill for democrats, you'll pin it directly on Obama.
Murdered by obama's Fast And Furious gunning running to drug lords
Remembering Brian Terry on His 42nd Birthday
Today would be Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry's 42nd birthday. Terry was shot in killed in the Arizona desert on December 15, 2010.
Two guns left at his murder scene traced back to Operation Fast and Furious.
More than two years later, the family still doesn't have many answers and the Department of Justice coverup of the operation is worse than ever. But despite this fact, just search for justice and closure is ongoing.
They also continue to call for the release of related documents and emails sought by Congressional investigators that the obama Justice Department refuses to disclose.
Brian Terry will never be forgotten.
And what is done about it...NOTHING...Holder is walking away free, Obama is not held responsible either...so all we can ope for is a one term! RIP Terry.
Nicaragua was already in a state of civil war which was the entire reason Iran-Contra happened at all.
We weren't in s struggle with Iran at that time. Iran was at war with Iraq and we exchanged some small arms and satellite intelligence with Iran to offset the help Russia was giving Iraq.
Watching Iran and Iraq blow each other up was fine by us.....they were both too busy to make any plans to attack US interests.
Nope. It is you who have it bass-ackwards.
There was no civil war at the time of Oliie North's illegal arms trade to the Nicaraguan Contras. There was the beginnings of an uprising, which was being fought by the Nicaraguan military, but the Contras were a paramilitary outfit that wasn't official, and it stirred things up so far that a civil war did break out a few years later after Reagan was gone.
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