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Old 09-19-2012, 12:20 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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*Sigh*

President Obama paid a higher percentage of his income.
But a MUCH smaller AMOUNT.

If you're concerned about percentage... FLAT TAX. No deductions.
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Old 09-19-2012, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Correct for SS and Medicare. They pay for it; they get it when they are eligible. (Medicaid is a welfare benefit that is not paid for by payroll taxes.)

Make that same concept true for all of the other government services and benefits (this is where Medicaid fits), as well. You pay for it; you get it. If you DON'T pay for it, then like SS and Medicare, you will not receive the benefits.
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False premise. Seniors already PAID for their SS and Medicare benefits via paying payroll taxes for years. They have QUALIFIED to receive those paid for benefits. And most will actually lose money on the deal.
Social Security not good deal it once was
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Apparently, you don't.

Seniors have paid for YEARS to receive the Medicare benefits for which they qualify. If you didn't pay; you don't qualify.

Those who receive Medicaid benefits pay very little or most frequently nothing at all to receive Medicaid benefits.Neither do I, which is why I donate substantial sums to various charities.

BUT... do NOT force me and one half of the US population to pay 15%, 24%, 30%, etc., of our annual income to subsidize the half who takes, takes, takes, and pays nothing.
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The working poor needs to live within their means. This can be done by acquiring roommates and consolidating and sharing other resources. If you can't afford to care for a child; don't have one.

Personal responsibility. Know it. Live it.
MANY seniors paid in far less than they have received. I have posted before (the most recent just yesterday) on how my FIL used to joke that he got WAY more than he paid in. We didn't even start paying a separate Medicare tax until the 1980s (1983, I believe), yet Medicare has been around since 1965.
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Old 09-19-2012, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Exactly why many females do NOT drop a name. They get more freebie government benefits if a father is not named.
Post some verifiable documentation. I don't think most women care who the child support is coming from.
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Old 09-19-2012, 12:24 PM
 
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MANY seniors paid in far less than they have received.
That used to be true. It's now only true for the low-income.
Is Social Security still a good deal for workers? - Yahoo! News
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Old 09-19-2012, 12:25 PM
 
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No, they don't. There is NO legal requirement to name a father on a BC. True, but if there's no name on the BC and the mother says she doesn't know who the father is, there's legally NOTHING the case workers can do.

I didn't say anything about required to drop a name on the BC. My statement was with Welfare. They ARE REQUIRED to provide a Fathers name. If one can not be found, then the woman is required to complete a educational or work program. As I stated, they will get there money one way or the other. Either from the father or the one on assistance.
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Old 09-19-2012, 12:25 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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Thank you for verifying what I have long suspected, the right wing is opposed to progress.
I know!

Funny, isn't it, that "progress" (or progressive) has become a dirty word to some?

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Old 09-19-2012, 12:26 PM
 
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Post some verifiable documentation. I don't think most women care who the child support is coming from.
Really?

Government = same benefit same day of every month.
Father = may or may not have money to pay; may or may not send payment

Many fathers are YEARS behind in child support payments.
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Old 09-19-2012, 12:27 PM
 
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Post some verifiable documentation. I don't think most women care who the child support is coming from.

Exactly...there is a definite misconception out there that the states just sits idly by and allow these women to just sit around until the first of the month waiting for that family first card to get reloaded. I know South Carolina has the strictest Welfare requirements out there, NJ and NY are the next.
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Old 09-19-2012, 12:28 PM
 
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I didn't say anything about required to drop a name on the BC. My statement was with Welfare. They ARE REQUIRED to provide a Fathers name. If one can not be found, then the woman is required to complete a educational or work program.
Aren't they required to do that anyway?
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Old 09-19-2012, 12:29 PM
 
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Exactly why many females do NOT drop a name. They get more freebie government benefits if a father is not named.
Utter nonsense.

Women on TANF have no choice, either they cooperate with the state or they LOSE 25% of their benefits.

The benefit level don't change whether the father is known or not. Child support payments are handed over to the state and the state uses that money to pay the recipient.

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