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Old 01-02-2014, 04:57 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Why do you say Christie, do you think he has the nomination locked up? I sure don't.
I don't either. Christie has as much chance of being the GOP nominee as I do.

 
Old 01-02-2014, 05:04 PM
 
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I don't either. Christie has as much chance of being the GOP nominee as I do.
Actually, his chances are exponentially greater than yours.
 
Old 01-03-2014, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The Republican Party is owned by big finance that wants to recreate the 1890;s. The Tea party wants to recreate the pre civil war South and the Republican moderates just want to stay elected. They all think they own the Old White Vote.

They do not. I am an old white male Vietnam War veteran and I am not owned by the GOP or anyone else. I support the Democrats because they make the most sense for the most people.
 
Old 01-03-2014, 01:05 PM
 
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Here's another old, white, Vietnam vet who agrees with you. There are a few of us.
 
Old 01-03-2014, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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The Republican Party is owned by big finance that wants to recreate the 1890;s. The Tea party wants to recreate the pre civil war South and the Republican moderates just want to stay elected. They all think they own the Old White Vote.

They do not. I am an old white male Vietnam War veteran and I am not owned by the GOP or anyone else. I support the Democrats because they make the most sense for the most people.
To claim that, "The Tea Party wants to recreate the pre civil war South" Is just laughable. It isn't defensible on any level.

Such a ridiculous assertion discredits the entire post, and the OP, even if there was a shred of truth to any of it. (There isn't.)

I am a Viet Nam vet also, and as a free man I will vote for the person(s) who I think will give me the best government. That has been the Republicans for most all of my life time, because the Democrats, being "liberals" (socialists, which is what "Progressives" are) have set a course many years ago to destroy Liberty.

They are central planners, and central planning, in order to work, requires an authoritarian government. It, therefore, cannot tolerate individualism, and free thinkers.

Central planners have no interest in protecting the rights of individuals, and they believe government is better able to provide a way out of poverty for the masses. This is always through government programs, none of which have ever achieved the lofty goals set by the central planners. (Just look at Obamacare, which is proving to be the folly of the century.)

The only system in the history of the world that has ever lifted the poor from poverty level to middle class and higher, has been free market capitalism. This isn't even arguable. It has proven itself for all to see, and is why America has always been the envy of the world.

Nevertheless, socialists of the world keep springing back up with their promises of Utopia, which they can never create, because man was not wired to be anything but individuals, in pursuit of their own destiny.
 
Old 01-04-2014, 04:12 AM
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The Ford /Carter campaign was the the begining of it from my perspective. Some time after that many groups who would alternate back and forth between parties started permanently aligning themselves with one party or another. Religion played a major part because churches are the most segregated segement of society. The GOP became the party of the upper class after that election. Years of opposition to Civil Rights legislation on constitutional grounds is a problem for even the most conservative African Americans.
Demographics of How Groups Voted in the 1976 Presidential Election

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Old 01-04-2014, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The corporate interests that own the Republican part are the consummate central planners. Economic planning is what they do! Instrumenting their plans to create an economic utopia where they and their never face any competition from anyone of the lesser classis is also what they do and do very well. The do not include free markets of any kind in their utopia. markets require competition and risk and these are anathema to the owning class.

One of the reasons I support Democrats is they give at least some consideration to the small business sector where competition is a constant reality.
 
Old 01-08-2014, 06:58 AM
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In the current political environment the GOP has allowed one faction of their party to preach a philosophy of doom and gloom. IMO only well healed voters who have a lot of resources respond to this because they feel good that come hell or high water they will be okay.

Immigrants , the young and particularly African Americans respond to the philosophy of a hopeful future. Its no surprise that the Obama handlers chose the word "hope" as a cornerstone of their narrative. If you remember the Clinton /Gore campaign chose the song " don't stop thinking about tomorrow.
 
Old 01-11-2014, 02:01 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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As Ann Coulter points out in her excellent book Mugged, the "Southern Strategy" is largely mythology. The evidence for its existence traces to interviews of 2 GOP consultants. One was Kevin Phillips, who worked on the Nixon campaign, and later became a persuaded left-wing pundit/activist. The other was Lee Atwater known for bare-knuckle politics but also ironically a professional musician who played mostly with black musicians like Percy Sledge, BB King, etc.

In the 1964 presidential campaign, allegedly the beginnings of the strategy, LBJ did all the race baiting. One historian rated LBJ's campaign as the dirtiest in history. In the North, he portrayed Goldwater as a KKK member, while in the South he portrayed Goldwater accurately as an advocate of desegregation.

Nixon speechwriter Jeffrey Hart said that Nixon did not have a "Southern Strategy" but a "border state" strategy, and had ceded the South to George Wallace. Wallace won 5 of 13 Southern states. Nixon won the rest of the South, but he also won most of the nation; HHH won only 13 states, mostly in the Northeast.

In 1972 Nixon won all states but MA, so any "Southern Strategy" would have been moot. In 1976, Jimmy Carter swept all Southern states. As Coulter asks, was that because he was appealing to the racist vote? In 1980 and 84, Reagan won 44 and 49 states respectively, so once again a "Southern Strategy" was moot.

There is actually much more evidence of a race baiting strategy in Obama's 2008 campaign. At the end of the Dem primaries Hillary told her pollster Mark Penn: " I would love to get all their internal documents about playing the race card, because I know it was their strategy."
The 2008 Democratic primaries and the race card.
The Southern Strategy was no myth. It was no secret back-room deal; it unfolded in full display over the course of several years, even though much of it was fueled by the dirty tricks of Lee Atwater, which were done in secret.
I was a young voter then and watched it unfold in the news over a 2 year period, culminating in Nixon's first election.

George Wallace, former Dixiecrat, ran as an independent and split the Democratic vote that year. Wallace had more to do with Nixon's win than Nixon. The next most damaging thing to the Democrats was the Viet Nam war. As Johnson's Vice President, Humphrey's nomination was doomed from the start, and many staunch Democrats didn't vote at all that year.

After Watergate, the Democrats could have run a talking dog and won. Just as Nixon reaped from Johnson's unpopularity, Carter reaped from Nixon's unpopularity. Back then, even the south was not as conservative as the nation is today, as religion had not yet crept into national politics. By 1976, it had, and has become an integral element in conservatism ever since. Carter won the south more for his religion than his party, and was the last Democrat to capture the south.

Obama won in 2008 by promising to end the war in Iraq, just as Nixon had done 40 years earlier. Americans have no tolerance for long lasting wars. 4 years is the limit of tolerance. This is a lesson that is perpetually forgotten by both parties.
 
Old 01-13-2014, 04:36 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Money .. That's how.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/12/us...onfessore&_r=1
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