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IT DOESENT MATTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The delusions of the Tea Party circus are astonishing, they are seemingly devoid of any basic knowledge of how politics and elections work.
"True conservatives" in rural states and the Deep South with populations smaller than my township do not translate to 270 electoral votes, in order to win the GOP candidate needs to win states like Florida, Ohio, Virginia, etc which trend purple ... in other words they need to appeal to moderates and centrists.
Remember how good Goldwater did. The tea party are basically Goldwater 2.0 and most of the nation are sour on them. It's just Arizona, Texas and the deep south they will win with Nebraska and Kansas and maybe West Virginia. They won't win key states, especially in a presidential year where Democrats WILL vote. The only conservative I may vote for is Rand. The others are just obstructionists with no vision like Cruz.
Amen, mkpunk, the GOP cannot win until it stops conceding and starts relating positively to swing states and some Blue Wall states. It needs to stop pandering to the Bible Belt, as quite frankly, that base has nowhere to go, so a true moderate with a moderate platform that relates to this diverse nation in regions the GOP has stunk up the house in, will still retain the Bible Belt's electoral votes anyway.
Remember how good Goldwater did. The tea party are basically Goldwater 2.0 and most of the nation are sour on them. It's just Arizona, Texas and the deep south they will win with Nebraska and Kansas and maybe West Virginia. They won't win key states, especially in a presidential year where Democrats WILL vote. The only conservative I may vote for is Rand. The others are just obstructionists with no vision like Cruz.
I prefer Ron Paul and would take a good look at Rand Paul, but they aren't extremely far to the Right enough to ever get the nomination. It's a catch 22 for the Pauls. To get the nomination, the GOP base needs them to hand feed them anti minority, poor, gay, Hispanic, Muslim, etc red meat, but if and when they do that, they might win the nomination, but they'll lose the election. Dems will use their own words to paint them as intolerant holier than thou bigots. Even though Romney took a huge hit and even tried to later back petel away from his 47% comment, many Republicans are still hell bent on using this self destructive rhetoric till this day. McCain still might not have won, but he would have done much better if he would have stayed where he was instead of trying to move far Right to appease his base.
People in Arizona, Texas and the deep south suffer from groupthink. They normally only get their news from one source and barricade themselves in a bubble surrounded by like minded people because they're fiercely intolerant of everyone else. They're just not seeing the writing on the wall, and they truly believe that if Republicans become more vocal on social and religious issues that alienate the majority of the county, they'll win a national election.
Last edited by DoniDanko; 02-15-2015 at 12:56 AM..
IT DOESENT MATTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The delusions of the Tea Party circus are astonishing, they are seemingly devoid of any basic knowledge of how politics and elections work.
"True conservatives" in rural states and the Deep South with populations smaller than my township do not translate to 270 electoral votes, in order to win the GOP candidate needs to win states like Florida, Ohio, Virginia, etc which trend purple ... in other words they need to appeal to moderates and centrists.
The funny thing is that they lost Florida, Ohio, AND Virginia, but even if Romney AND McCain won all 3 of those battleground states, they STILL would not have gotten to 270. Obama still would have won.
I prefer Ron Paul and would take a good look at Rand Paul, but they aren't extremely far to the Right enough to ever get the nomination. It's a catch 22 for the Pauls. To get the nomination, the GOP base needs them to hand feed them anti minority, poor, gay, Hispanic, Muslim, etc red meat, but if and when they do that, they might win the nomination, but they'll lose the election. Dems will use their own words to paint them as intolerant holier than thou bigots. Even though Romney took a huge hit and even tried to later back petel away from his 47% comment, many Republicans are still hell bent on using this self destructive rhetoric till this day. McCain still might not have won, but he would have done much better if he would have stayed where he was instead of trying to move far Right to appease his base.
People in Arizona, Texas and the deep south suffer from groupthink. They normally only get their news from one source and barricade themselves in a bubble surrounded by like minded people because they're fiercely intolerant of everyone else. They're just not seeing the writing on the wall, and they truly believe that if Republicans become more vocal on social and religious issues that alienate the majority of the county, they'll win a national election.
So, you think we get our news from only 1 source: what one would that be? And you think we all hold the same views on social and religious views: well first of all, that is so wrong, you obviously don't know many Republcans and in case you didn't know this: religion is part of social issues, they are 2 differnt things.
I prefer Ron Paul and would take a good look at Rand Paul, but they aren't extremely far to the Right enough to ever get the nomination. It's a catch 22 for the Pauls. To get the nomination, the GOP base needs them to hand feed them anti minority, poor, gay, Hispanic, Muslim, etc red meat, but if and when they do that, they might win the nomination, but they'll lose the election. Dems will use their own words to paint them as intolerant holier than thou bigots. Even though Romney took a huge hit and even tried to later back petel away from his 47% comment, many Republicans are still hell bent on using this self destructive rhetoric till this day. McCain still might not have won, but he would have done much better if he would have stayed where he was instead of trying to move far Right to appease his base.
People in Arizona, Texas and the deep south suffer from groupthink. They normally only get their news from one source and barricade themselves in a bubble surrounded by like minded people because they're fiercely intolerant of everyone else. They're just not seeing the writing on the wall, and they truly believe that if Republicans become more vocal on social and religious issues that alienate the majority of the county, they'll win a national election.
Arizona is a little more libertarian similar to Goldwater though they still try to get church arguments into laws such as the opposition to gay marriage, abortion and now a bill trying to get tax breaks for buildings that lease to churches. The issue is to many the libertarian message comes off like being a conservative with the cuts to spending including welfare and laizee-fare economics, except you want social liberties similar to liberals. The issue is you have to get away from the tea party and the traditional conservatives while having to get their votes in primaries.
Conversely, that is the same problem moderate GOP candidates have to fight off too but with being more left to most issues because conservatives are more likely to vote in primaries.
I have to LOL about all the wonderful advice the Republicans (or Democrats) should do to win an election, blue walls, percentages, etc. To me, this is the bottom line: while the economy has begun to recover, the middle class, the actual engine of this country, sure hasn't felt it. The oil has not been changed in that engine for a LONG time.
We do not in any way shape or form have sustainable, long term growth. It's not even being looked at. How about we just decide to vote for the Presidential candidate who commits to promote policies that will take people from poverty to a stronger middle class that grows; someone who creates sustainable, long term growth, who invests in our infrastructure, skilled labor, manufacturing and yes even education. That is not going to be done continuing to give away money and increasing the horrible debt. We need someone who will heal the ridiculous divide between members of congress and get them working together again.
If the candidate that can do that is Democrat, Republican, Green Party, Independent, Libertarian, I am voting for that person. For you one issue voters, unless the candidate can accomplish these goals, your one issue isn't going to matter anyway.
We do not in any way shape or form have sustainable, long term growth. It's not even being looked at. How about we just decide to vote for the Presidential candidate who commits to promote policies that will take people from poverty to a stronger middle class that grows; someone who creates sustainable, long term growth, who invests in our infrastructure, skilled labor, manufacturing and yes even education. That is not going to be done continuing to give away money and increasing the horrible debt.
Everyone has already said, they didn't want an Isolationist, non-interventionist.
At least the media told everyone they didn't want one of those, they were bad, nutty and just too damn old.
I prefer Ron Paul and would take a good look at Rand Paul, but they aren't extremely far to the Right enough to ever get the nomination. It's a catch 22 for the Pauls. To get the nomination, the GOP base needs them to hand feed them anti minority, poor, gay, Hispanic, Muslim, etc red meat, but if and when they do that, they might win the nomination, but they'll lose the election. Dems will use their own words to paint them as intolerant holier than thou bigots. Even though Romney took a huge hit and even tried to later back petel away from his 47% comment, many Republicans are still hell bent on using this self destructive rhetoric till this day. McCain still might not have won, but he would have done much better if he would have stayed where he was instead of trying to move far Right to appease his base.
People in Arizona, Texas and the deep south suffer from groupthink. They normally only get their news from one source and barricade themselves in a bubble surrounded by like minded people because they're fiercely intolerant of everyone else. They're just not seeing the writing on the wall, and they truly believe that if Republicans become more vocal on social and religious issues that alienate the majority of the county, they'll win a national election.
So much BS in this post I don't even know where to begin. It's just the usual liberal leftist lies to demonize conservatives.
Remember how good Goldwater did. The tea party are basically Goldwater 2.0 and most of the nation are sour on them. It's just Arizona, Texas and the deep south they will win with Nebraska and Kansas and maybe West Virginia. They won't win key states, especially in a presidential year where Democrats WILL vote. The only conservative I may vote for is Rand. The others are just obstructionists with no vision like Cruz.
Ronald Reagan was Goldwater 2.0. A 2016 tea party prez candidate would be 3.0, at minimum. Cruz and Paul have more in common than they have differences. They have often allied on issues in the Senate.
And obstructionism is not per se a bad thing. It all depends on what is being obstructed. When a bad policy is being obstructed, it's good. We've got to somehow get over this fallacy that obstructionism is intrinsically negative.
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The delusions of the Tea Party circus are astonishing, they are seemingly devoid of any basic knowledge of how politics and elections work.
