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Old 11-11-2015, 04:54 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Unfortunately American voters look at personalities over substance. Jeb doesn't have a chance in the personality department.
Whether I do or do not like him, this is true. Personality means a lot, being able to stir up the crowd and he just can't do it. I predicted from day one he would not get the nomination. So far it looks like, for once in my life my prediction is right. Of course it isn't over til its over.
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Old 11-11-2015, 05:27 AM
 
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No one wants another Bush. Jeb ain't got no charisma.
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Old 11-11-2015, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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No one wants another Bush. Jeb ain't got no charisma.
7-9% polls. So you're not accurate. Look over previous elections where Cain and Giuliani were leading this early in the primaries.....
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Old 11-11-2015, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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No one wants another Bush. Jeb ain't got no charisma.
Maybe not, but he does have competence which puts him ahead of most of the Republican field.
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Old 11-11-2015, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Whether I do or do not like him, this is true. Personality means a lot, being able to stir up the crowd and he just can't do it. I predicted from day one he would not get the nomination. So far it looks like, for once in my life my prediction is right. Of course it isn't over til its over.
If things continue as they are now more or less, it goes to a brokered convention. Jeb! could very well emerge the winner from that. He may not be much on the stage, but his family obviously has the political connections to pull off a backroom nomination.
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Old 11-12-2015, 02:50 AM
 
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If things continue as they are now more or less, it goes to a brokered convention. Jeb! could very well emerge the winner from that. He may not be much on the stage, but his family obviously has the political connections to pull off a backroom nomination.
That's the ticket. If the GOP want him to win, he'll win. The Koch Brothers don't even "care" now, supposedly, but they're just one cog in that huge wheel.
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Old 11-12-2015, 05:35 PM
 
Location: On the Edge of the Fringe
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No one wants another Bush. Jeb ain't got no charisma.
That is the main point. The First George Bush was a lackluster, mediocre president who lasted only one term, something not seen since Reagan. He was riding Reagan's coat-tails, and Reagan was a hard act to follow. But W Bush was nothing more than a dum-arse who at least surrounded himself with people smarter than him, which was about anyone. But he could step up and act like a leader, albeit a questionable one. Along comes Obama, who has an IQ higher than most, who has been lackluster in his leadership skills and unable to admit that his grand ideas, while grand , will remain ideas and only ideas.

I lived in FLorida when Jeb ..we called him "Jethro" was governor. He was not all that great, and many of the things he claims he did actually started under prior offices. For example, It was Chiles who upgraded education, not Jethro. Chiles died in office, but not until after he reformed and started the voucher program.

Obama has a problem of not being able to work with people. Jethro has this same problem. We don't need a president who is going to be totally inept twice in a row.
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Old 11-12-2015, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Florida
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If things continue as they are now more or less, it goes to a brokered convention. Jeb! could very well emerge the winner from that. He may not be much on the stage, but his family obviously has the political connections to pull off a backroom nomination.
He sure could. All he has to do is wait out the novelty candidates as they crash and burn. I'm talking to you Herman Cain, Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich.

"In reality, the GOP nominating contest will be decided by an intricate, state-by-state slog for the 2,472 delegates at stake between February and June. And thanks to the Republican National Committee’s allocation rules, the votes of “Blue Zone” Republicans — the more moderate GOP primary voters who live in Democratic-leaning states and congressional districts — could weigh more than those of more conservative voters who live in deeply red zones."

Steady debate performance banishes gloom for U.S. Republican Jeb Bush | Reuters

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Old 11-12-2015, 11:04 PM
 
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Debates I think of as entertainment at best. One can get to know the candidates much better on the internet. Long articles instead of soundbites. Voters guides will tell everyone who looks at them the stuff the candidates would prefer you don't know, like which special interest group likes them best. I think votesmart dot org claims something like over 1 million facts about 40,000 politicians, IIRC.

Many would be shocked to know we had IIRC over 50 parties with a presidential candidate in 2012. The Libertarian Party is 3rd largest & fastest growing party & will do much better each election as more are fed up with Dems & Reps that don't seem to care about most. The rights of people as individuals are almost never talked about by Dems & Reps. But these rights we've lost are a primary concern of the smaller parties. The Libertarian Party is for cannabis & whatever the majority want, 100% are equals.

96% in 3 recent internet polls say cannabis should be legal for all adults & kids with conditions. Jeb says I smoked lots of pot in my high school. Now I think we should force people to die in prison who may need cannabis oil to cure them of a fatal illness. Is that insane? I'll win by disagreeing with nearly all of the informed! But that probably gets him money from those that make all or part of their income from it being prohibited: law enforcement, private prison owners, pill cos., doctors, and other medical people, drug test mfrs, alcohol cos, tobacco cos, paper industry, textile industry, auto makers & oil cos.

Chris Christie guarantees death in prison for anyone who needs cannabis to live. Cancel all state programs, I know best because I was a prosecutor.

Marco Rubio financed by multi-billionaire casino mogul Sheldon Adelson, as in supporting those good conservative Christian Republican values of getting as drunk as possible & chain-smoking (tobacco) cigarettes, while gambling away money. Sheldon Adelson was probably the main guy to cause medical cannabis to not get the required 60% in FL.

Ted Cruz, IIRC, says states that legalized cannabis made a bad decision (even though that's what most wanted).

Dr. Ben Carson says he wants to intensify the drug war. Claims he's ultra-religious & running on orders from God. Yet he's very opposed to God's best plant, after reading fake studies on govt sites where the researchers got $500,000 per study if they said what pill cos. want. So he said they say cannabis greatly lowers IQs, so we must keep it illegal as we don't need more stupid people. Some of the brain surgeries he did might not have been needed if they had cannabis oil, but unlikely he knows that.

Former governor of Ohio agrees with what law enforcement told him they want.

Carly Fiorina said we had to bury a child due to drugs & yes, cannabis is much worse than alcohol. Was she was hoping that would sound like cannabis killed her 34 year old step-daughter? In a previous announcement, she said her step-daughter died from bulimia (insatiable appetite), pill addiction, and alcoholism. But now, she can't criticize any of them, only cannabis!

Might anyone who still collects any money win? Especially those who dig up the most dirt about their opponents? The game seems fairly simple, like here's your copy of the party platform & the words to use/not use, when talking issues. If you sling mud at opponents, you don't have to say much about yourself. Make the public very fearful of terrorists, & say you'll protect America. Say the Federal wage of $7.25 is too high for the US to compete, & we're losing militarily. Claim most religious candidate, while showing hate for many potential voters (see the GOP approved to hate list).

Many years back, a governor ran as 3rd party & won with a low-budget internet campaign that attracted many 1st time voters. Maybe social networking sites, campaign party website, candidate websites, & You Tube videos are about all it takes to win, if a person really connects with young voters.

I would never rule out anyone, but none of these candidates say much on issues except what rich people want them to say (bribe me more, I deserve it). I guess it's continued govt by corporate bribers, unless the people start voting for the 3rd largest & fastest growing party, the Libertarian Party, for the 100% equally.



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My question is, how long will Jeb stay in the race?

When Rubio smacked Jeb down at the CNBC debate, it made the man look extremely weak and incompetent.

My guess is that when Jeb does poorly in the next debate on November 10th, which he surely will, he will be forced to drop out.

What is your prediction?
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