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Old 01-07-2016, 12:45 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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There is no mention at all if Obama had ever given up his Indonesian citizenship.
Any supposed Indonesian citizenship is irrelevant. Obama was admittedly born a dual citizen (due to his non-U.S. citizen father, as posted on his Fight the Smears website), just like Cruz (born in Canada to a non-U.S. citizen father). Both are ineligible for POTUS as such. I've gone into great detail explaining why that is so according to both historical facts and international law. Anyone interested exploring the details can read these posts:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/42533068-post195.html

http://www.city-data.com/forum/42542354-post246.html
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Old 01-07-2016, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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This is settled law. Cruz is a citizen. Move on.
There is no law and it is not "settled" either.
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Old 01-07-2016, 12:48 PM
 
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I think intelligent folks can plainly see that this is nothing more than a ploy by Trump
I think intelligent folks are much more informed on historical facts and legal obligations recognized under international law, and as such recognize that this is an issue that needs to be resolved.

Read my posts on this, referenced above.
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Old 01-07-2016, 12:53 PM
 
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There is no mention at all if Obama had ever given up his Indonesian citizenship.
Same with religion. Obama was born a Muslim, being the son of a Muslim. You can't "renounce" your religion in Islam. Well, you can but not recommended!
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Old 01-07-2016, 12:54 PM
 
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There is no mention at all if Obama had ever given up his Indonesian citizenship.
because he has yet to be eligible for indonesian citizenship under indonesian law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indone...ationality_law
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Old 01-07-2016, 01:24 PM
 
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Why are there two threads on this same topic?
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Old 01-07-2016, 01:31 PM
 
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We do not define citizenship by bloodline. Otherwise, children of Mexicans here would still be Mexican. The fact that Cruz was born on foreign soil is relevant, I think.
Uh; not true. US citizenship DOES go through bloodline anywhere in the world assuming 1 parent's a US citizen unless talking about US born kids with 2 foreign parents.
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Old 01-07-2016, 03:44 PM
 
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https://www.conservativereview.com/c...spokenMoreover, we don't need federal judges to tell us what we can discern on our own. We can read the constitution, statutes, history, etc. Just because the Supreme Court has not ruled does not mean the issue isn't settled. And it is highly doubtful the court would involve itself anyway under the political question doctrine. However, Trump is free to bring a lawsuit and "settle" the issue. Crazy lib Alan Grayson has already declared he will do so, even though he has no standing. - See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/c....zK44Fxqa.dpuf
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Old 01-07-2016, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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trump has flip-flopped repeatedly on the topic. the current legal consensus is that "natural born citizen" is simply a citizen at birth. cruz should be able to survive any challenge ( two have already been filed ). here is the harvard law revue's take on the subject:

On the Meaning of
Thanks for posting this.

It would be nice if it stopped certain folks from tying themselves into completely unnecessary knots over the meaning of 'natural born citizen', but it probably won't.
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Old 01-07-2016, 04:00 PM
 
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However, Trump is free to bring a lawsuit and "settle" the issue.
nothing currently indicates that he would. he seems to be content to play his little passive/aggressive game ( "i'm not saying this but others are saying......")

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Crazy lib Alan Grayson has already declared he will do so, even though he has no standing.
yep.
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