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Old 02-05-2016, 09:57 AM
 
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it tells you that we are willing to give up healthcare to keep our guns :P
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Old 02-05-2016, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Homeless
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Bernies health care plan: stick a gun in your ribs and force you to pay your neighbors medical bills.




And what's your answer? Keep in mind with OR without Obama care we all are still paying for someone who doesn't have it.
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Old 02-05-2016, 10:48 AM
 
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Along with tens of thousands of jobs in the health insurance industry and the retirement savings of millions of working-class Americans who have invested in health insurance companies through IRA and 401(k) plans.
Health care shouldn't be an investment vehicle.
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Old 02-05-2016, 10:54 AM
 
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Those that take care of themselves don't necessarily go to the doctors less. They actually go and have regular check ups.

Their overall end of life health care costs may be less but they go more often.
But no 90% less like bernie claimed..

he said taxes would go up $500, but costs would drop $5,000...

not a chance, one would have to be an idiot to believe that, but given many believed ACA would drop premiums $2500, there are lots of idiots around..
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Old 02-05-2016, 10:55 AM
 
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Health care shouldn't be an investment vehicle.
Then neither should food, utilities, housing etc..
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Old 02-05-2016, 10:58 AM
 
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But no 90% less like bernie claimed..

he said taxes would go up $500, but costs would drop $5,000...

not a chance, one would have to be an idiot to believe that, but given many believed ACA would drop premiums $2500, there are lots of idiots around..
Under comprehensive reform, no it is not hard to believe. Comprehensive reform would include tort reform. It would include the U.S. no longer subsidizing the health care of the rest of the world, etc. I could make a list to last pages.
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Old 02-05-2016, 10:59 AM
 
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Then neither should food, utilities, housing etc..
I agree. I've said so on here for years.
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Old 02-05-2016, 11:04 AM
 
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I agree. I've said so on here for years.
So what exactly would be invest in for their retirement?
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Under comprehensive reform, no it is not hard to believe. Comprehensive reform would include tort reform. It would include the U.S. no longer subsidizing the health care of the rest of the world, etc. I could make a list to last pages.
just stop making things up..
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Old 02-05-2016, 11:05 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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To my knowledge, Americans are the only people in the developed world that dismiss universal healthcare as "free stuff." Others recognize access as a human right, as per the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights.
They also are OK with the middle class paying the highest marginal income tax rate, and paying a 20-25% VAT on top of that. Think Americans will agree to both of those, as well, if it meant they could have universal health care?

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How Scandinavian Countries Pay for Their Government Spending
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Old 02-05-2016, 11:11 AM
 
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So what exactly would be invest in for their retirement?
We have long standing businesses getting hammered in the markets because they do not provide a get rich quick investment opportunity. Investing for retirement was never supposed to be about that. The current Dow/Dupont merger is a good example.

Both companies are very profitable and should be for years but they have to merge to please Wall Street. They will fire thousands to cater to the whims of Wall Street.

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just stop making things up..
If subsidizing health care for the rest of the world is your thing, I understand your position.

How The US Subsidizes Cheap Drugs For Europe

I know you know this. But again, for some reason you just have to play the role.
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