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Originally Posted by Glenfield
I still don't understand what makes you a Republican and not a Democrat.
So be it, your the type that believes to be a member one must fit/accept the hard line dogma without question. Sorry I think for myself and if the party and others like you can't accept that then the party will continue to lose membership.
Trump has taken dozens of gambles that could have ended disastrously. He's not nearly as calculated as maybe you give him credit for, certainly not as much as some of the other politicians. Or maybe he's just light years ahead of everyone else. But yes, Trump has definitely been caught in lies. Every single one of them has, go to any fact checking watchdog site out there. They've all told some whoppers. They're politicians, it's what they do. Trump just has more indicia of reliability because he's not bought out like the others.
There's nothing about him that says he's a Constitutional conservative. Even his reference to GWB's term as his "reign" shows that he wants to be king, not President.
As far as I can tell, people are attracted to his promise to deport 11 million illegal immigrants, though he says they can come right back and it's impossible to deport 11 million people; or they're enamored by his promise to do great trade deals, even though he's a failed casino owner and there's absolutely no evidence that he can do any such thing.
And some people seem to be attracted to his crude, outspoken manner, but as a resident of Minnesota who had to live through Jesse Ventura's term as governor, I can tell you that having a loud mouthed conspiracy nut as your chief executive gets old real fast.
Well, the fact that he doesn't answer to anyone is beyond reproach, and that's refreshing in a way. I'm actually someone who considered myself liberal up until the last year or so. I lived in California for many years and grew really fed up with the sort of "limousine liberalism" rampant in that state. You know, people like Diane Feinstein feigning their championship of social equality, while they step over homeless people pissing themselves on the streets of San Francisco to get to their fabulously opulent mansions in Pacific Heights or Cow Hollow. It left a very bad taste in my mouth. And the political correctness in this country is just too much. I don't know if liberalism is just becoming too extreme, or if I'm just becoming more conservative. I guess I consider myself more moderate now.
Trump is the 1%, but at least he admits it. He's said some pretty outrageous things but he says what he means to say and he doesn't care about the consequences. I don't agree with him on many things, but I do respect him having the balls to say some of the things he says. Lastly, on things like immigration he is tough, but he's not nearly as socially conservative as people like Rubio and Cruz. Whether I would support him would come down to whether I would trust his capability to be president, which I'm not sure about.
So be it, your the type that believes to be a member one must fit/accept the hard line dogma without question. Sorry I think for myself and if the party and others like you can't accept that then the party will continue to lose membership.
I think there must be some things that differentiate the two parties and am simply asking you to articulate which of those values you feel identifies you as a Republican. You say you think for yourself. I am simply asking you to explain those thoughts. Perhaps we can try another approach.
Can you tell me this: in their age, who do you think better exemplified the values of the Republican Party, Nelson Rockefeller or Barry Goldwater?
Well, the fact that he doesn't answer to anyone is beyond reproach, and that's refreshing in a way. I'm actually someone who considered myself liberal up until the last year or so. I lived in California for many years and grew really fed up with the sort of "limousine liberalism" rampant in that state. You know, people like Diane Feinstein feigning their championship of social equality, while they step over homeless people pissing themselves on the streets of San Francisco to get to their fabulously opulent mansions in Pacific Heights or Cow Hollow. It left a very bad taste in my mouth. And the political correctness in this country is just too much. I don't know if liberalism is just becoming too extreme, or if I'm just becoming more conservative. I guess I consider myself more moderate now.
Trump is the 1%, but at least he admits it. He's said some pretty outrageous things but he says what he means to say and he doesn't care about the consequences. I don't agree with him on many things, but I do respect him having the balls to say some of the things he says. Lastly, on things like immigration he is tough, but he's not nearly as socially conservative as people like Rubio and Cruz. Whether I would support him would come down to whether I would trust his capability to be president, which I'm not sure about.
That was a very thoughtful response and I thank you for it.
One thought: I agree with your view that he doesn't answer to anyone but himself. Are you certain that if he's elected President that would change and he would be comfortable answering to the American people?
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Originally Posted by Glenfield
I think there must be some things that differentiate the two parties and am simply asking you to articulate which of those values you feel identifies you as a Republican. If you really do think, then you should be able to explain those thoughts. Perhaps we can try another approach.
Can you tell me this: in their age, who do you think better exemplified the values of the Republican Party, Nelson Rockefeller or Barry Goldwater?
As I said, according to you I am not a Republican because I won't accept the hard right as the position of the party. Trump and Christie speak better for me, in fact I would guess other than weddings & funerals Trump hasn't been in a church with any frequency. I do believe that church and state should be separate and I am looking for a political leader not a religious one.
Slightly before my voting window but from what I remember of them I would take Rockefeller, he was pro business and more moderate on finding a solution. Goldwater was too far to the right and not acceptable to too many.
Okay you hate Trump - fine. You are entitled to your opinion but that doesn't change the fact that the guy (Trump) doesn't hide behind political double-talk. That has been his edge from the very beginning.
We all know Iraq was a disaster but the other Republicans are so afraid to acknowledge it that they are hurting their chances to be claim the top spot.
Sheesh. Why would Trump need political double-talk when plain old bald-face lies are working so well for him? He makes crap up all day long, on the fly, a world-class BS'er.
As I said, according to you I am not a Republican because I won't accept the hard right as the position of the party. Trump and Christie speak better for me, in fact I would guess other than weddings & funerals Trump hasn't been in a church with any frequency. I do believe that church and state should be separate and I am looking for a political leader not a religious one.
Slightly before my voting window but from what I remember of them I would take Rockefeller, he was pro business and more moderate on finding a solution. Goldwater was too far to the right and not acceptable to too many.
Thank you.
Contrary to your admonishments, I never said you weren't a Republican, I simply asked you what made you one.
I see from your response that you are a liberal Republican. I appreciate that you've explained what differentiates you from the conservative wing of the Party. Exactly what beliefs, values, or positions differentiate you from the Democrats?
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