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Old 02-20-2016, 09:48 AM
 
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I Am Angry On Behalf Of Bernie Sanders Supporters.

If the election is just going to be a coronation of Hillary why go through all these caucuses? Shameful.
Why go through the caucuses you ask? its merely a show for the public, drama for the masses. The entire election is that. The winners have already been chosen.
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Old 02-20-2016, 09:53 AM
 
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If the Democrat superdelegates give the nomination to Hillary when Bernie wins the popular vote and a majority of the regular delegates, a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters will be pissed and will stay home in November.
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Old 02-20-2016, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Bernie should run 3rd party. If the Democrat Elites plan on disenfranchising their voters...why not have a "revolution" within their party. It is already a buzz word in his campaign.
I think Trump should do the same since the GOP is openly hostile toward him, and are trying to rig the elections against him.
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Old 02-20-2016, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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If Bernie loses the nomination simply because of party elitists...he should cause a revolution and force the elitists to give up control of the Democratic primary.

This would be better for the country and the parties in the long run.

Hillary is a hack anyways. Give up the presidency for a single term in order to ensure fair elections forever in the future, so we don't wind up with hacks having a massive advantage over the people's choice due to the political 0.0001%ers.



Bernie blew Hillary out of the water in New Hampshire by a 22% margin of victory. Yet he didn't win the delegates in that state, because of the elite 0.0001%ers that run the party.
Bernie won the delegates that were assigned by the votes. The superdelegates are not assigned by popular vote, if they were, they'd simply be additional delegates, rather than something else. The process was known to everyone in advance, including Bernie who chose to run as a Democrat, subject to that process. A process which was in fact largely designed by his senior advisor Tad Devine.

As it is, despite national polling, Hillary is leading in the majority of states coming up in the next two weeks. And leading big, by 20 or even 30 points in many of them. And that's how delegates get awarded, not via national polls. Same is true for the general election electoral college votes as well. It matters how you do in each state, not how you poll nationally.
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Old 02-20-2016, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
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I think Trump should do the same since the GOP is openly hostile toward him, and are trying to rig the elections against him.
I'd hate to see Trump or Sanders run as an independent because that would guarantee that the Presidency would be handed to the Democratic or Republican candidate, respectively. I don't believe the will of the people wouldn't be served in that scenario.

But what if both Trump and Sanders decided to mount independent campaigns? THAT would be interesting.
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Old 02-20-2016, 10:36 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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I'd hate to see Trump or Sanders run as an independent because that would guarantee that the Presidency would be handed to the Democratic or Republican candidate, respectively. I don't believe the will of the people wouldn't be served in that scenario.

But what if both Trump and Sanders decided to mount independent campaigns? THAT would be interesting.
That would level the playing field a bit for all. Would be quite interesting.
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Old 02-20-2016, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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If the Democrat superdelegates give the nomination to Hillary when Bernie wins the popular vote and a majority of the regular delegates, a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters will be pissed and will stay home in November.
The unpledged delegates each have one vote, just like the pledged delegates, and their votes are counted in exactly the same election and given exactly the same weight as the pledged delegates. So far, approximately 400 unpledged delegates have said they will vote for Clinton. Now that's a nice little edge for Clinton, and it could well be the margin that puts her over the top, but it also means that she still needs approximately 2000 more votes, out of the 4000+ votes that are still in play.

Don't worry, the unpledged delegates are are at least as concerned as you are about the possibility of unhappy Sanders voters failing to show up for Clinton in November. But disgruntled primary voters are hardly a new problem, nor are they limited to a particular party's nominating process.
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Old 02-20-2016, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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I'd hate to see Trump or Sanders run as an independent because that would guarantee that the Presidency would be handed to the Democratic or Republican candidate, respectively. I don't believe the will of the people wouldn't be served in that scenario.

But what if both Trump and Sanders decided to mount independent campaigns? THAT would be interesting.
Sanders won't, because he cares about the national agenda.

Trump might, because he cares about the Trump agenda.
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Old 02-20-2016, 11:20 AM
 
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I mean, remember Joe The Plumber? After he told Obama his plan to raise taxes on people who made $250,000 was going to ruin him, we learned he wasn't a licensed plumber, wasn't even registered to vote in Ohio, never made close to $250,000 a year in his life and even had a tax lien against him. Well, I'm happy for Joe. He finally got decent pay and benefits because he found a union job working in an auto plant.
Working for Chrysler, the company Obama helped save from bankruptcy.
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Old 02-20-2016, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Leaving fabulous Las Vegas, Nevada
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Sanders chose to run as a Democrat, well aware that this was the process and has been for several decades now. As a matter of fact, his senior advisor Tad Devine was one of the architects of the Democratic superdelegate process.

No fraud here, move along, we don't need "Chicks on the Right" or anyone else on the right trying to interfere with the Democratic primary process.
Perhaps Bernie will make an independent bid and take half of the Democratic voters with him.
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