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Old 04-10-2016, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Heidelberg, Germany
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I'm going to have to second this. She has bullied her way into creating the biggest threat to European stability since WWII, and one we can't protect you from. Watching what has happened in Europe, thanks to her, is no small part of the reason people are seriously considering voting a buffoon in as our president. If Trump wins Merkel is part of the blame.
Wow, I am surprised. A moderator going seriously off topic. What does my being from Germany have to do with anything here? I have posted my questions in the "elections" thread and was obviously referring to the U.S: Presidential primaries. If you want to discuss Merkel, why not do that in a separate topic?
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Old 04-10-2016, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Heidelberg, Germany
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Maybe there haven't been many answers because the questions are worded strangely or maybe many of us have more important issues on our minds?
Oh, I am sure lot's of people have more important things on their minds but seeing how busy this part of the forum is discussing the various candidates, I do think the topic is relevant.

How are the questions worded strangely? I will gladly rephrase them if you let me know what parts are unclear.
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Old 04-10-2016, 12:02 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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I think where a candidates stands on' taxes' is probably one of the first questions that I would ask, simply because taxes generally determine on just what will or will not be publicly funded. Taxes revolve around everything for the most part--discretionary spending, public projects, entitlements etc. It also determines basically who or what creates the jobs and how many jobs can even be created

My other interest would probably be in a candidate's position on foreign diplomacy because it really is the stage for our economy.
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Old 04-10-2016, 12:33 PM
 
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Oh, I am sure lot's of people have more important things on their minds but seeing how busy this part of the forum is discussing the various candidates, I do think the topic is relevant.

How are the questions worded strangely? I will gladly rephrase them if you let me know what parts are unclear.
The questions were not worded strangely and, in and of themselves, are OK.

Where you may be missing the point is assuming that people even give why they're voting for someone a 2nd thought. In the US, it wouldn't surprise me if 70-80% of voters select a candidate based solely on party affiliation.

For the minority of voters who remain, they may not have considered the questions you asked. Maybe they vote solely based on abortion or gay marriage or gun control or climate change or Palestine vs. Israel stance or illegal immigration stance or they may just choose who seems to be the nicest person.

There is very little rhyme or reason behind who someone supports.
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Old 04-10-2016, 01:03 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Wow, I am surprised. A moderator going seriously off topic. What does my being from Germany have to do with anything here? I have posted my questions in the "elections" thread and was obviously referring to the U.S: Presidential primaries. If you want to discuss Merkel, why not do that in a separate topic?
I'm not "going seriously off topic". I'm saying the events in your country have impacted the decision making of voters in this country, and that particular issue is part of the driving force behind one of our leading candidates, one with according to you extreme views. It is such an impact that voters are willing to ignore just about every other issue the candidate brings up at any level, let alone 50% level. The illegal immigration/Middle East refugee situation concern people enough that they don't care whether that candidate will represent them or their country in a mature, respectful and intelligent way both at home and abroad. They also don't care what your leader thinks about our future president because they feel she has made a mess of it in your country, so they have no respect for her opinion. Basically, they don't want to see someone like her here.

Elections, by the way, are elections.
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Old 04-10-2016, 01:40 PM
 
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I'm kinda surprised that nobody has responded to this. I still think the questions are a simple and effective way of determining how suitable a candidate may be. Perhaps my suggestion is not confrontational enough and doesn't lend itself to the usual partisan bickering....
You posed questions that folks should ask themselves, you didn't ask them to answer the questions here.
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Old 04-10-2016, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Heidelberg, Germany
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You posed questions that folks should ask themselves, you didn't ask them to answer the questions here.
Well, I did say this in my original poste:

Do you think those simple questions are relevant and useful? How would you answer them? Will your answers affect how you are likely going to vote?

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Old 04-10-2016, 02:19 PM
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How are the questions worded strangely?
For starters, this combination of paragraphs:

"2. When I take away 50% of all campaign promises/demands made by any given candidate, which candidate looks more reasonable and realistic?

"What I mean by this is that even if you think (for example) that a minimum wage of 15 bucks is not realistic, how about 10 or 12 dollars an hour? If you think free college for all is not achievable, how about much more affordable college education for all? You get the idea. Similar tests can be applied to the more "radical" Republican positions."

Which 50%? A random selection? And if so, have you really changed the outcome of "reasonable and realistic" until you begin to whittle away even more campaign promises/demands?

Moreover, after you've "take(n) away" that selection--random or not--why do you follow up with compromised results on whole-value subject campaign promises/demands as examples?

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1. Do I trust this Presidential candidate to represent me and my country in a mature, respectful and intelligent way both at home and abroad?
Do you think any of them are not? None of them got to their current stations in life by being inept, crass, unmannered buffoons.

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Old 04-10-2016, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Texas
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How about this for a quick and easy test / reality check:

1. Do I trust this Presidential candidate to represent me and my country in a mature, respectful and intelligent way both at home and abroad?
Policy represents our country. It doesn't represent the individual

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2. When I take away 50% of all campaign promises/demands made by any given candidate, which candidate looks more reasonable and realistic?
Doesn't make sense.

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What I mean by this is that even if you think (for example) that a minimum wage of 15 bucks is not realistic, how about 10 or 12 dollars an hour? If you think free college for all is not achievable, how about much more affordable college education for all? You get the idea. Similar tests can be applied to the more "radical" Republican positions.
So go by what YOU think is just while ignoring the rights of the individual

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Do you think those simple questions are relevant and useful?
No
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How would you answer them?
I just did

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Will your answers affect how you are likely going to vote?
No and your OP is silly.
It's always about policy.
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Old 04-10-2016, 03:55 PM
 
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Well, I did say this in my original poste:

Do you think those simple questions are relevant and useful? How would you answer them? Will your answers affect how you are likely going to vote?

Here is my answer:

Your questions are, for the most part, relevant and useful enough though my approach to deciding which candidate support involved a different analysis.

When applying my two feedback to your two initial questions:

1) Yes
2) Cruz

For me, it's more an issue of whether a candidate represents the individual or the State, as I view it as somewhat of a zero-sum game. In that light, I really liked Rand Paul early on in the process and now think Cruz is the best candidate by far.
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