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You got to be kidding me. Jamie Raskin is a great representative of the revolution, a die hard champion for getting big money out of politics and fighting the corrupt system of campaign finance. I laughed when Jamie Raskin beat Chris Matthews wife in Maryland yesterday. It was fantastic. Chris has been shilling for Hillary so hard this election it was glorious to see. More to come. Lucy Flores, Zephyr Teachout and others are next, no matter how much you hate to see the people and not big money controlling everything. Its happening, emm74, and we have the time on our side, not you.
You got to be kidding me. Jamie Raskin is a great representative of the revolution, a die hard champion for getting big money out of politics and fighting the corrupt system of campaign finance. I laughed when Jamie Raskin beat Chris Matthews wife in Maryland yesterday. It was fantastic. Chris has been shilling for Hillary so hard this election it was glorious to see. More to come.
Reading comprehension a little off today? The graphic referred to Senate primary races. Can't have "more to come" when the leader of your movement doesn't even bother to show up for down ticket races and provide any money or support.
Reading comprehension a little off today? The graphic referred to Senate primary races. Can't have "more to come" when the leader of your movement doesn't even bother to show up for down ticket races and provide any money or support.
Baloney. All races matter, both House and Senate. I remember reading that Lucy Flores raised close to half a million dollars from Bernie supporters a few weeks ago after the campaign sent out an e-mail. You better be prepared emm74, because a government by the people, for the people is coming to America whether you like it or not.
a government by the people, for the people is coming to America whether you like it or not.
Why do you think "a government by the people, for the people" is only possible if a candidate you select becomes our leader? What are the other voters..fish? arthropods?
Raising taxes on the working class to give them what you think they should have isn't a government by the people. It's a government telling the people it knows what you need and will tax you accordingly.
Look at what happened in Vermont when they tried to pass single-payer. I've always been an advocate for Medicare-for-all and would like private insurers out of health care, but even in Bernie's home state the taxpayers felt it was too expensive and not worth the end result. Maybe the reason Hillary wants to keep Obamacare and improve what we already have is because she knows what's possible and what isn't, and she'd rather not base a campaign on false promises.
Bernie mounted his campaign to raise awareness of his issues and have a major party candidate incorporate some of them in his/her platform. That's what independent candidates have historically done in our two party system.
But he and his platform resonated with so many people that it surprisingly became a real "winnable" primary race. He fought a good fight, but he is now back to where he started. I think he will successfully accomplish his initial mission.
Bernie mounted his campaign to raise awareness of his issues and have a major party candidate incorporate some of them in his/her platform. That's what independent candidates have historically done in our two party system.
But he and his platform resonated with so many people that it surprisingly became a real "winnable" primary race. He fought a good fight, but he is now back to where he started. I think he will successfully accomplish his initial mission.
Mick
Yes, not doubt and you saw Clinton throughout the campaign adopt some of the language and issues that Sanders had spoken of.
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I think they will take the message that they can do whatever they want and get away with it as they only have to get a very small percentage of people to vote for them.
No. If Clinton wins with a low turnout it will show Ryan and McConnell that Clinton has no mandate for anything. This in turn will force Hillary to do one of two thing to get legislation passed.
1. Hillary will cozy up to the republicans and "compromise" to the point that she will come a center right president. Of course this will do nothing for her popularity with the more left of the Democratic Party. And I see her losing even more support next time she runs for president. And that may cost her a second term. Also this should push the more left of the party to become more vocal Against Hillary and perhaps become more Obstructionist. Creating a problem for Hillary on the "same" side of the aisle. Basically we would a lot of infighting that would cause the Democratic Party to implode similar to what is happening to the Republicans right now.
2. Hillary will fight the Republicans. But to do that she'll have to call on all her "allies". Including the far left. She's going to have to make "Compromises" further to the left than she would like. This in turn will allow her to get a lot less done legislatively. But any legislation passed would be meaningful (for progressives). The problem though is that she could be seen as a do-nothing president if she's unable to push a lot of her agenda. This in turn could cost her a second term as well. Granted if she takes it she may be able avoid A major implosion in the Democratic Party. The party heading left. There's not much you can do to stop it. So enjoy your center candidate(s) now.
As for Trump. If he does actually win. The Republicans aren't going to give him Jack. He probably face a bigger stonewalling then Obama is getting right now. That's why am not afraid if Trump wins. A trump administration most likely achieve nothing.
No. If Clinton wins with a low turnout it will show Ryan and McConnell that Clinton has no mandate for anything. This in turn will force Hillary to do one of two thing to get legislation passed.
Ryan and McConnell will giver her whatever she wants just like they are doing now for the most part.
Why do you think "a government by the people, for the people" is only possible if a candidate you select becomes our leader? What are the other voters..fish? arthropods?
Raising taxes on the working class to give them what you think they should have isn't a government by the people. It's a government telling the people it knows what you need and will tax you accordingly.
Look at what happened in Vermont when they tried to pass single-payer. I've always been an advocate for Medicare-for-all and would like private insurers out of health care, but even in Bernie's home state the taxpayers felt it was too expensive and not worth the end result. Maybe the reason Hillary wants to keep Obamacare and improve what we already have is because she knows what's possible and what isn't, and she'd rather not base a campaign on false promises.
A government by the people and for the people is a government funded by the people, not the billionaire class, loybbists and special interests that crowd out the will of the people. Its mind boggling to me how people can not see how corruptive the influence of big money is on the political system. Especially among people who claim to be on the left. Opinion polls show an overwhelming majority of the American people agree that the system of campaign finance is corrupt though, so I think its just a small minority of people in here who just deny reality because they love Hillary so much.
Comparing a state system with a national health care system is a moot point. This point has been thoroughly debunked and is mostly just used by Fox News these days. Hillary is against a medicare-for-all system because she is funded by the special interests that profit from the current rip-off health care system that kill thousands needlessly every year because they dont have the money to survive.
No. If Clinton wins with a low turnout it will show Ryan and McConnell that Clinton has no mandate for anything. This in turn will force Hillary to do one of two thing to get legislation passed.
1. Hillary will cozy up to the republicans and "compromise" to the point that she will come a center right president. Of course this will do nothing for her popularity with the more left of the Democratic Party. And I see her losing even more support next time she runs for president. And that may cost her a second term. Also this should push the more left of the party to become more vocal Against Hillary and perhaps become more Obstructionist. Creating a problem for Hillary on the "same" side of the aisle. Basically we would a lot of infighting that would cause the Democratic Party to implode similar to what is happening to the Republicans right now.
2. Hillary will fight the Republicans. But to do that she'll have to call on all her "allies". Including the far left. She's going to have to make "Compromises" further to the left than she would like. This in turn will allow her to get a lot less done legislatively. But any legislation passed would be meaningful (for progressives). The problem though is that she could be seen as a do-nothing president if she's unable to push a lot of her agenda. This in turn could cost her a second term as well. Granted if she takes it she may be able avoid A major implosion in the Democratic Party. The party heading left. There's not much you can do to stop it. So enjoy your center candidate(s) now.
As for Trump. If he does actually win. The Republicans aren't going to give him Jack. He probably face a bigger stonewalling then Obama is getting right now. That's why am not afraid if Trump wins. A trump administration most likely achieve nothing.
The "center" in a plutocracy is not the mainstream of public opinion though. The "center" is just where most special interests will feel that their needs are served. Moving towards the left from this "center", really means moving towards the mainstream of public opinion.
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