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Old 06-01-2016, 03:25 PM
 
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Originally Posted by ChloeC View Post
Yeah it's unfortunate that my vote won't count... Seattle metro votes blue... and it doesn't matter what the rest of the state does... even though they vote red.

I spent the weekend over in eastern Washington... Trump country.

Signs everywhere.
Every state that votes reliably Red or Blue has some areas that would show similar pattern as that you mention. I'm sure those living in New Orleans have a similar outlook as yours but in the opposite spectrum

 
Old 06-01-2016, 03:27 PM
 
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Fundamentally, the EC has a built in Democratic advantage.
No it doesn't.

People are losing jobs in all states. People are scared of radical islam in all states. People are concerned about their kid's futures in all states. People are concerned about illegal immigration in all states.

The candidate who addresses these issues will win the majority of voters in all states. The one stuck on identity politics, 1990s campaigning, and irrelevancy won't.

It's as simple as that.
 
Old 06-01-2016, 03:48 PM
 
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No it doesn't.

People are losing jobs in all states. People are scared of radical islam in all states. People are concerned about their kid's futures in all states. People are concerned about illegal immigration in all states.

The candidate who addresses these issues will win the majority of voters in all states. The one stuck on identity politics, 1990s campaigning, and irrelevancy won't.

It's as simple as that.
You didn't refute what he said. As usual, you stated your opinion, and your hopes, not facts.

The electoral college edge that he was referring to has been documented in recent elections. There is absolutely nothing that you have ever posted that documents that there has been a sea change this year and that all comparisons with the recent past are invalid.

Just stomping your feet rhetorically and posting dubious links to nut job websites doesn't make it so.

It's as simple as that.
 
Old 06-01-2016, 03:49 PM
 
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You didn't refute what he said.
Yes I did.
 
Old 06-01-2016, 04:12 PM
 
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Yes I did.
No, not even close.

You stated your opinion. Nothing more.
 
Old 06-01-2016, 04:14 PM
 
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No, not even close. You stated your opinion. Nothing more.
Here's the difference. I make statements about the topic. You make statements about me. If you want to prove me wrong, then do it with logic & fact about the topic.
 
Old 06-01-2016, 04:30 PM
 
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Here's the difference. I make statements about the topic. You make statements about me. If you want to prove me wrong, then do it with logic & fact about the topic.
That's the point. You don't state facts. You state opinion.

When it comes to providing supporting evidence to support those opinions you come up with next to nothing.

Back to my original point. The post that you were disagreeing with stated that Democrats have a statistical advantage in the Electoral College. Based upon recent elections, that is factual. They have had an advantage of about 50 or 60 electoral votes in the electoral college, which required the GOP to virtually sweep the swing states. Maybe that will continue in 2016 and maybe it will not, but until change actually happens you can't assume, as you do religiously, that this is the year when it will change.

So as far as stating the facts goes, he wins; you, as usual, lose, because you primarily rely not on facts, but blind faith.
 
Old 06-01-2016, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Carpinteria
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statements by ruling
---------------------Trump's ---------- Clinton's -------- Bernie's
True3 ------------- (2%)(3) ---------- (23%)(46) ----- (14%)(14)
Mostly True9 ----- (6%)(9) ---------- (27%)(55) ----- (38%)(38)
Half True23 ------ (15%)(23) -------- (21%)(42) ----- (19%)(19)
Mostly False23---- (15%)(23) ------- (16%)(32) ----- (18%)(18)
False62 ----------- (42%)(62) ------- (12%)(24) ----- (12%)(12)
Pants on Fire29--- (19%)(29) ------- (1%)(3) --------- 0

Clinton's
True46 (23%)(46)
Mostly True55 (27%)(55)
Half True42 (21%)(42)
Mostly False32 (16%)(32)
False24 (12%)(24)
Pants on Fire3 (1%)(3)

Sanders's
True14 (14%)(14)
Mostly True38 (38%)(38)
Half True19 (19%)(19)
Mostly False18 (18%)(18)
False12 (12%)(12)
Pants on Fire 0
Bernie Sanders's website

source
PolitiFact.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
While PolitiFact has won several awards, the site has been both praised and criticized by independent observers, conservatives and liberals alike. Both liberal and conservative bias have been alleged at different points, and criticisms have been made that PolitiFact attempts to fact-check statements that cannot be truly "fact-checked".
 
Old 06-01-2016, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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Unemployment rate 1984- 7.5%
Current unemployment rate-5%
LOL. 5%, sure.
 
Old 11-16-2016, 10:58 AM
 
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Quinnipiac polls are fun because they do a great job of breaking down each answer by demographics. This just came out today. Overall, Hillary by 4 points (45-41), but only 2 points (40-38) if third parties are included. MoE +/- 2.5%.

https://www.qu.edu/images/polling/us...16_Ugb28vf.pdf

Interesting findings:

* Hillary has a huge edge with women (+24%), blacks (+89%), Hispanics (+47%) and college educated (+8%);
* Mr. Trump leads Hillary by +34% among white men;
* Bernie supporters would go 75%-11% for Hillary;
* Voters under 50 overwhelmingly support Hillary by double digits, and they are only 1% apart on people above 65 yo. Trump has a 6% advantage in 50<age<65.
* 90% of Dems would vote for Hillary, and 86% of Republicans for Trump (both surprisingly high);
* Only 6% of Dems would vote for Mr. Trump, and 4% of Republicans would vote for Hillary (both surprisingly low);
* Mr. Trump wins the independents by 3%;

Mick

LOL.

Told you more than once these pollsters have no idea what they are doing this year.

Trump won the election.
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