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First off, I can't figure out why anyone would expect a candidate to relinquish their right to contest the results of an election that hasn't happened yet, especially if they have reason to believe that all is not kosher.
That's never been the issue. What Trump is being expected to do is acknowledge that it is not he who determines whether the election is legitimate, but rather he is being expected to defer that determination to the Secretaries of State of the fifty states. He has refused to do that - refused to grant the states the right to determine their own due process, and refused to grant the citizens of the states the right to designate their own authorities.
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Funny, as much as I respect the overall job that Chris Wallace did in the final debate (especially compared to the first two) I can't fathom why he worded the question that way and why he didn't ask Hillary the same question.
He worded the question precisely the way it should have been worded, and the reason why he didn't ask Hillary Clinton is because there is no reason to think she wouldn't respect the determination of the Secretaries of State.
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But my real question here is what will Democrats (both the people and the politicians) do if Trump actually wins?
What we've always done.
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For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die.
What is inescapable is that 240 years ago our nation became part of what is now a 350 year journey of progress in western civilization. Today's rightists would be considered raving leftists by the rightists of 100 years ago, and so shall it be 100 years from now. Progress isn't a matter of "if" - it's just a matter of "when".
What will Democrats do? I can't say, considering they are a very diverse group of individuals, you'd have to ask each and every one what that individual will do to get an honest answer. But I don't think you want an honest answer. So, I'll tell you what I, an individual liberal, will do if Trump gets elected:
Life will go on, much the same as it does now. Not much will change. I'll get up Nov. 9th, pray for my country, and the world much as I do most days. If it's a Thursday, I'll go to my women's group, where we do Bible studies and pray together. I'll wait and see what he does, how he governs, and if I don't like it, in four years I will vote against him.
Very true except I am a man. I think the Dems would get the House and maybe the Senate in the midterms. Get the Presidency in four years. We would see the democratic party tent grow as people turn away from the Trump when his right wing policies hit them in the pocket book and when they lose health insurance. Im a Lutheran but may join my Catholic wife in a Rosary if I think it can get rid of him, lol.
I think the big tent should be in the middle, not off on the left. The most likely way that comes about is under a Clinton administration, with the GOP breaking apart as a result of a massive loss now.
Furthermore, I don't want to see people get "hit" by "his right wing policies". I want to avoid that.
Much ado has been made about the fact that Trump refused to say that he would "accept" the results of the election.
First off, I can't figure out why anyone would expect a candidate to relinquish their right to contest the results of an election that hasn't happened yet, especially if they have reason to believe that all is not kosher.
Funny, as much as I respect the overall job that Chris Wallace did in the final debate (especially compared to the first two) I can't fathom why he worded the question that way and why he didn't ask Hillary the same question.
But my real question here is what will Democrats (both the people and the politicians) do if Trump actually wins?
Will Democrats "accept" Trump winning? OR will they throw a fit, demand investigations, recounts and indulge in their favorite form of protests....Riots?
I will note, in all seriousness, that Chris Wallace, in his role as 'moderator', lacked any power or authority to bind Mr. Trump to his answer, even if Mr. Trump said "Yes, I will accept the results". If Mr. Trump had said 'yes', but there were a state (Florida for example) in which the voting is a virtual tie, Mr. Trump would still have had the right (ignoring for the moment Florida's law about an automatic recount in such situations) to request a recount.
I imagine that, should Mr. Trump win the election, most rational people, be they Democrat, Republican, Independent, Libertarian or what have you, would accept him as President, as 'we the people' have for 240 years or so.
Irrational people are another matter. One cannot predict the behavior of irrational people.
While I am voting for Ms. Clinton, if Mr. Trump were to win, I would say 'Huh, surprising', and carry on with life. As I have said before, should he win, I believe that Mr. Trump would want to be a 'great' president (same as Hillary; same as anyone that has achieved that office), and so would (hopefully) discard much of his rhetoric, listen to his advisors, and get about governing the nation.
He would have, of course, a reality check on what he can actually do. Not only will he have to have the support of Congress for many of his policies, but even if Congress passed some of his proposals, the Federal Courts can be resorted to by those that believe such laws are unconstitutional. I would also think that while a President Trump will readily cancel some of President Obama's executive orders, he may, on reflection, keep many (he had claimed he would cancel all, which is rather silly).
Very true except I am a man. I think the Dems would get the House and maybe the Senate in the midterms. Get the Presidency in four years. We would see the democratic party tent grow as people turn away from the Trump when his right wing policies hit them in the pocket book and when they lose health insurance. Im a Lutheran but may join my Catholic wife in a Rosary if I think it can get rid of him, lol.
I agree with you, I'm not overly concerned about a Trump Administration, I honestly don't think it would last long. Regardless I think we'll all be fine, and our ship of state will sail on, much as it has the past 200+ years. We get stuck in some pretty crazy storms sometimes, but we always see the sun again.
If Hillary wins I'm sure there are people who will look at the details of the election especially if it is close in some states.
We have seen some sketchy things from the Hillary camp.
If Trump wins I'm sure there will be riots and demands of recounts. I also wouldn't be surprised if the GOP came out and said that they refuse to work with him. They have already pretty much said that they expect Hillary to win but they vow to block anything she attempts.
SO if Hillary wins, nothing will get done. If Trump wins nothing will get done.
Whomever wins America loses....
Hillary hasn't even lost yet and her campaign is on record for having sent paid thugs against Trump supporters.
We're already well beyond "sketchy".
Trump winning the general might shock a few of DC's resident corporate whores back to a useful state.
If not, they can be primaried and disposed of just like Jeb, Kasich, Rubio and the like.
This is a movement of the people that started with the people.
We are not going to be handled like children.
As for Hillary's supporters... I've seen her half-filled high school gymnasiums.
Go ahead, say it. See how it just rolls off your tongue. Prressident Trump!
You are putting on a brave face, and I find it rather sweet and sad at the same time ... full of pathos in the truest sense of the word.
In defeat I hope you do not stew in bitterness and anger, and I promise I will not gloat nor ridicule; it's just one election out of many and you will get on with your life.
Much ado has been made about the fact that Trump refused to say that he would "accept" the results of the election.
First off, I can't figure out why anyone would expect a candidate to relinquish their right to contest the results of an election that hasn't happened yet, especially if they have reason to believe that all is not kosher.
Funny, as much as I respect the overall job that Chris Wallace did in the final debate (especially compared to the first two) I can't fathom why he worded the question that way and why he didn't ask Hillary the same question.
But my real question here is what will Democrats (both the people and the politicians) do if Trump actually wins?
Will Democrats "accept" Trump winning? OR will they throw a fit, demand investigations, recounts and indulge in their favorite form of protests....Riots?
Maybe they should leave this country for good, better yet create their own country out of landfill close to where Hillary wants to take in the refugees.
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What if Trump wins?
