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Look at the geographical map county by county of the 2016 election...the EV works exactly as intended.
With a straight popular vote you would end up with a sliver or small enclaves of coastal areas dictating to the rest of the country.
Not to mention that the election were fought with the EV system in place so with strategies aimed at winning the EV....this is the way it is and Hillary lost so this discussion is pointless.
You can tell them the same thing 100 different ways but few on the left will ever understand or agree, mostly because they don't want to.
And I would bet my house that if the situation were reversed, the left would be absolutely in love with the electoral system.
But she won the popular vote by a significant margin. Get your head around. Trump is President for the next four years. But he must always lead while acknowledging that Clinton had more votes and therefor more support.
Tough but that happens in life.
Maybe one day we will have a system where you get to rate the candidates one,two,three. Be interesting but not this election. Trump won the election. Clinton won the popular vote.
Your posts are absolute denials.
Again, 65 million people did not vote for Hillary Clinton. That is FACT. Get your head around.
The numbers tell me one thing... This country is SERIOUSLY divided on so many issues. I really fear where we will be in 10 years.
Half of the country voted for a crook and a liar that's being actively investigated by the FBI. And the other half voted for a babbling ex-frat boy who lives in a golden castle on Wall Street.
UPDATE Nov. 15 1000 PST ... Almost hitting the 1 million mark:
Clinton.... 61,929,605
Trump...... 60,938,847
Clinton lead = 990,758 (source: Cook Political Report)
Not since grade school have I seen such strong attempts to change the rules of the game because the outcome wasn't what the child wanted.
Also, people either have to be idiots or just have a raging case of butt-hurt to fail to recognize that if the goal were to get the most total votes the campaigns would have conducted themselves differently.
The reality that scaling the existing democratic deficit that the Electoral College gives us, out a bit more, reveals it's deficiency.
Right now, that democratic deficit may be 1 million votes.
Supporters of the EC (namely Republicans simply because their candidate benefited), rationalize that away.
But extend that deficit out to 50 million votes.
Can 50 million votes be rationalized away?
Not so easily.
Very quickly the President elect would literally have no democratic legitimacy.
Not since grade school have I seen such strong attempts to change the rules of the game because the outcome wasn't what the child wanted.
Also, people either have to be idiots or just have a raging case of butt-hurt to fail to recognize that if the goal were to get the most total votes the campaigns would have conducted themselves differently.
Did he win the presidency? Yes. But the popular vote does speak to the fact he has no mandate to ram through is agenda/campaign promises. Over 1/2 of those that voted do not share his vision and he should keep that in mind as he leads.
To hammer the point home, imagine a world government decided by popular vote. Would you be so against a global EC if the alternative was that Tokyo and Mexico City largely decided who was going to be world president?
That's essentially what the founding fathers were dealing with--13 independent "nation-states," and not one of them was willing to subsume its own interests in a new federation.
The slave issue is not particularly relevant and is just rhetoric to sidetrack the real issue.
The real issue is that New Jersey has vastly different inherent interests from Alaska or Montana today just as Virginia had vastly different inherent interests from Rhode Island then.
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The Electoral College is a more modern version of democracy, adapted to the larger unified nation-state. If you want to go back to a popular vote, you wouldn't revert the USA to the popular vote, you would vie for your state's secession from the union. It would make much more political sense and, frankly, would be a politically easier task than getting rid of the EC. And that's saying something.
The numbers tell me one thing... This country is SERIOUSLY divided on so many issues. I really fear where we will be in 10 years.
Half of the country voted for a crook and a liar that's being actively investigated by the FBI. And the other half voted for a babbling ex-frat boy who lives in a golden castle on Wall Street.
That is misleading in a country of 230M eligible voters, only about 126M bothered voting. While ~60M voted for Trump, ~61M for Clinton, ~4M for Johnson, and 1M for Stein. Its more accurate to say that about 26% of the country voted for Clinton and about 26% of the country voted for Trump.
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