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Old 11-30-2016, 02:22 PM
 
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Young people such as 18, 19 that don't drive yet and don't have utility bill in their name because they live with parents or roommates. They might not be able to get a photo id because 1) they don't drive and don't have anyone to take them there, especially if they are poor and their parent(s) don't have cars. 2) if their state requires a utility bill in their name to get a photo id, they don't have this. So it's proportionately tougher on young people in this case.

very poor people that live with someone else and don't have a utility bill in their name. Maybe they are so poor that they don't work and they don't have a paystub in their name so cannot get a government issued id. Such as a lady that lives with her husband and they rent a room somewhere and the husband works but wife doesn't although she is looking for work. She cannot get a government photo id such as drivers license because her state requires either a paystub with current address as proof, or a utility bill at current address. This lady has neither so she cannot get a photo id, so cannot vote. Yep - some people are that poor that they live with other and don't have ulitities in their name.

In some states such as FL, divorced/married women that changed their last name must have divorce agreement and marriage license for all prior name changes in order to get a drivers license or state issued ID. If they don't have ALL of this, plus birth certificate this means they get sent away when they attempt to get their state ID and they have to contact the city or county where they were divorced/married and formally request a sealed copy of their divorce decree or marriage license - and pay a fee for it in most cases. Some women, especially elderly or poor, delay getting their ID or just don't get it at all due to the extra steps required. Someone poor might have to wait to save $80 to get the records and someone elderly might skip the step alltogether because they no longer drive so don't need a drivers license anyway.

Very poor, elderly and young often don't drive so they need a ride (or taxi or bus) to get to the county office to attempt to get a photo ID. Some delay it because they go to school or work and don't have time off to get the ID. because they don't drive, it's a several hour affair because of taking the bus or waiting for a friend to drive them when the friend has the spare time. So they delay getting their ID or maybe never get their ID. If they don't drive and don't work(such as an 85 year old) it might not impact them in their daily life to be without a drivers license. But they cannot vote either.
We know that when the poster said "certain people", he was referring to blacks.

The rest are just excuses. We know if people WANT to vote, they can find a way get a valid ID.
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Old 11-30-2016, 02:33 PM
 
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Voter ID's (which is a more difficult task for poor people without their own transportation)
Making it more difficult to get voter ID's in minority areas (less locations and hours)
Reducing early voting via reduction of polling places and hours in minority areas
Reduction of election day polling places in minority areas
Purging of voting rolls through caging list process

These are but a few examples.
They had four years to get an ID. It's ridiculous to assume a poor person is unable to come up with an ID in four years. If they can bus people to the polls to vote, they can bus people to the DMV.

And purging dead people and ineligible voters from the rolls is not voter suppression. It makes legitimate votes actually count.
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Old 11-30-2016, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Young people such as 18, 19 that don't drive yet and don't have utility bill in their name because they live with parents or roommates. They might not be able to get a photo id because 1) they don't drive and don't have anyone to take them there, especially if they are poor and their parent(s) don't have cars. 2) if their state requires a utility bill in their name to get a photo id, they don't have this. So it's proportionately tougher on young people in this case.

very poor people that live with someone else and don't have a utility bill in their name. Maybe they are so poor that they don't work and they don't have a paystub in their name so cannot get a government issued id. Such as a lady that lives with her husband and they rent a room somewhere and the husband works but wife doesn't although she is looking for work. She cannot get a government photo id such as drivers license because her state requires either a paystub with current address as proof, or a utility bill at current address. This lady has neither so she cannot get a photo id, so cannot vote. Yep - some people are that poor that they live with other and don't have ulitities in their name.

In some states such as FL, divorced/married women that changed their last name must have divorce agreement and marriage license for all prior name changes in order to get a drivers license or state issued ID. If they don't have ALL of this, plus birth certificate this means they get sent away when they attempt to get their state ID and they have to contact the city or county where they were divorced/married and formally request a sealed copy of their divorce decree or marriage license - and pay a fee for it in most cases. Some women, especially elderly or poor, delay getting their ID or just don't get it at all due to the extra steps required. Someone poor might have to wait to save $80 to get the records and someone elderly might skip the step alltogether because they no longer drive so don't need a drivers license anyway.

Very poor, elderly and young often don't drive so they need a ride (or taxi or bus) to get to the county office to attempt to get a photo ID. Some delay it because they go to school or work and don't have time off to get the ID. because they don't drive, it's a several hour affair because of taking the bus or waiting for a friend to drive them when the friend has the spare time. So they delay getting their ID or maybe never get their ID. If they don't drive and don't work(such as an 85 year old) it might not impact them in their daily life to be without a drivers license. But they cannot vote either.
Georgia lets you get a voter ID by mail. A birth certificate and one of ten options for proof of residency will do it for you.

1. Utility bill issued within the last sixty (60) days
2. Bank statement issued within the last sixty (60) days
3. Current valid rental contracts and/or receipts for payments made within the last sixty (60) days for rent
payments
4. Employer verification documents such as paychecks stub, letter from, employer and W-2 for current or
preceding calendar year
5. Health insurance statement
6. State of Georgia or Federal income tax return for current or preceding calendar year
7. Annual social security statement for current or preceding calendar year;
8. Medicare or Medicaid statement
9. School record or transcript for current or preceding calendar year
10. Mortgage, payment coupon, deed, or property tax bill for current or preceding calendar year.

It's free.

https://www.rockthevote.com/assets/p...ridtoolkit.pdf
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Old 12-03-2016, 01:41 AM
 
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She only won 8 that even bother to ask for ID at all. How about instead of recounting we require all the states that don't have ID requirements to have strict ID requirements and then have them revote?

based on -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_..._United_States
2016 Election Results: President Live Map by State, Real-Time Voting Updates - POLITICO
interesting.

I'm pretty sure a lot of democratic voters won't be able to vote in 4 years, laws and rules are going to change, all these illegals and dead people who voted for H won't be voting in 4 years, makes the road much easier for Trump to get reelection.
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Old 12-03-2016, 05:52 AM
 
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It is a shame that the Republican's nationally orchestrated effort to systemically suppress votes seems to have worked. They have re-instituted the Jim Crow South voting laws and are actually getting away with it.
Well the DNC has four years to help establish a mechanism to help people get valid ids in those states. Set up a committee and go to work.
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Old 12-03-2016, 06:07 AM
 
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But if people realize they want to vote, they will do what they must do.
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Old 12-03-2016, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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She only won 8 that even bother to ask for ID at all. How about instead of recounting we require all the states that don't have ID requirements to have strict ID requirements and then have them revote?

based on -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_..._United_States
2016 Election Results: President Live Map by State, Real-Time Voting Updates - POLITICO
She didn't have a chance in any of those anyway. That being said, I think everyone should have an ID to vote.
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