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Old 04-01-2017, 05:31 AM
 
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And...how did this help us? Surely, you do not think Trump CARES.
Thank you for your VERY un-biased opinion! wink-wink

 
Old 04-01-2017, 02:42 PM
 
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Trump is linked to Russia. His whole administration is. That's sorta why the nonpartisan offices of all our intel agencies are investigating them, yo.

LOL.

Not making it up, man. Maybe you read about some of this? It's not a liberal conspiracy. They are legit being investigated.

I dunno if Hillary would have won or lost without them monkeying around with the elections process because I tend to like to wait for actual intel before making assumptions either way.
How come nobody noticed the Russians until after November 8th?

I think this speaks for itself in terms of their influence.
 
Old 04-01-2017, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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How come nobody noticed the Russians until after November 8th?

I think this speaks for itself in terms of their influence.
It was known before November 8. Comey et al kept their mouth shut. He was out to sink Clinton not Trump. And the influence was well publicized in the Wikileaks stuff. Just not atrributed to Russia thanks to Comey.
 
Old 04-01-2017, 02:49 PM
 
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It was known before November 8. Comey et al kept their mouth shut. He was out to sink Clinton not Trump. And the influence was well publicized in the Wikileaks stuff. Just not atrributed to Russia thanks to Comey.



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Old 04-01-2017, 03:08 PM
 
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Hillary won. Ballots in the swing states were hacked to assure a Trump win.
Ah of course. Which computer electoral systems were hacked specifically? Details? Or just a feeling of hackery?
 
Old 04-01-2017, 03:17 PM
 
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Clinton was not popular among Democrats. She was however far preferable to Trump. She of course won the popular vote and would likely have prevailed without Comey and his last minute bomb. The loss was by the thinnest margin one could imagine.

The right wing smear was effective but could not have carried the day without Comey.
Hillary had already lost by this point when she offered up 3 different cover-ups for her "pneumonia" episode.

The e-mail scandal was nuanced and complicated... her lying about being sick made her nature crystal clear to all.
 
Old 04-01-2017, 03:56 PM
 
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Hillary had already lost by this point when she offered up 3 different cover-ups for her "pneumonia" episode.

The e-mail scandal was nuanced and complicated... her lying about being sick made her nature crystal clear to all.
She had a virtually unassailable lead 2 weeks or so before the election. That all collapsed at the end of the month. Guess what it was that happened then? A week later her lead had collapsed to well inside the margin of error. Started to come back on Comey's retraction but the damage was done.

Simple as that.
 
Old 04-01-2017, 04:01 PM
 
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She had a virtually unassailable lead 2 weeks or so before the election. That all collapsed at the end of the month. Guess what it was that happened then? A week later her lead had collapsed to well inside the margin of error. Started to come back on Comey's retraction but the damage was done.

Simple as that.
First polls were wrong, missing what many found obvious..an enthusiasm gap.

2nd the Rust Belt was DJT long before. Same anti NAFTA wave that caused DJT and Sanders to win primaries there , and in each case, doing double digits better than polls showed.

Polling failed in 2016.
 
Old 04-01-2017, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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First polls were wrong, missing what many found obvious..an enthusiasm gap.

2nd the Rust Belt was DJT long before. Same anti NAFTA wave that caused DJT and Sanders to win primaries there , and in each case, doing double digits better than polls showed.

Polling failed in 2016.
Nope. The national polls in general were well inside their error range. She lost on a minor fluke driven by Comey. If the election had occurred before October 28th she would have won comfortably...Simple as that.
 
Old 04-01-2017, 04:13 PM
 
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Democrats are smiting after their loss on planned parenthood and Hillary surely lost on her own without any assistance from Mexico, Canada, or the EU.

Hillary supporters just simply cannot fathom that Hillary was a poor candidate that was mean and out of touch with America. Most of the country is glad Hillary list but those that fawn over her lack of ethics cannot understand how she lost so bad on her own. Its called denial.
Hillary is for the rich elite. She put enough spin on her speeches to convince the poor. Oh and she caries hot sauce with her where ever she goes.
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