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Old 06-10-2018, 06:37 AM
 
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No, it just means that the Democratic party, which if I recall, you are not a member of, has a different opinion than you of how to accomplish things. It doesn't mean they are all the negative things you say just because they don't do things exactly the way you want.
They need the votes from people like me to win. Did we not see that last time? The part that is hard to understand is the party pretends to be for the things I want. They just don't actually do them.

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They don't do everything exactly the way I want either, but I'm a competent adult who understands getting more of what matters to me even if it's not everything - like Supreme Court justices who who aren't extremists looking to strip civil rights from large swathes of Americans - is a WHOLE lot better than holding out for perfection.
Hillary offered nothing. Obama could have got the last justice but he was too lazy to fight for it and any standing he once had was gone. It's a very different world today if President Obama had been the person Candidate Obama promised to be. Trump is what we get when politicians lie.
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Old 06-10-2018, 06:40 AM
 
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The problem with this argument is that Bernie was not the Democratic nominee. Hillary was.


So Its the Bernie people who were more comfortable with Him, than Hillary.
I find it kinda creepy that anyone was comfortable with Hillary.
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Old 06-10-2018, 06:41 AM
 
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What did Bernie and is supporters expect? He's not a Democrat and he keeps peeing on the Democrats as a party and as principle. He needs to go away.
Right now, Democrats and principles do not belong in the same sentence.
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Old 06-10-2018, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Hiding from Antifa!
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Hillary offered nothing. Obama could have got the last justice but he was too lazy to fight for it and any standing he once had was gone. It's a very different world today if President Obama had been the person Candidate Obama promised to be. Trump is what we get when politicians lie.

Obama felt that if he couldn't put someone into the court, Hillary would be doing it. Just another thing he was wrong about.
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Old 06-10-2018, 06:45 AM
 
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He is so far more principled around pro-worker democratic values compared to the Wall Street crowd who hijacked the party in the 1980s, there isnt even any contest. You can wish that people that stand up for workers over big money interests should go away all you want, but that aint happening. Just a quick look at polling of democratic voters shows this.
In WV-3 the (D)'s held that seat for a long time. They lost it as the (D)'s became the co-party of corporations. We now have a candidate Richard Ojeda that is a throw back to the (D)'s of the past. He was a huge supporters of the teachers before it became acceptable again. He regularly stands with the people over the corporations that want to screw them over.

He is going to win and he isn't going to vote in lock step with the corporate (D)'s. (Unfortunately I can't vote for him.)
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Old 06-10-2018, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Well the popularity of the outsider Trump surprised the GOP and Bernie did the same for the DNC. If not for back door shenanigans at the DNC by Hillary and the Dems we just might have Bernie in the WH.



I wouldn't be surprised if the GOP did something similar in the future to keep another outsider from entering the race.
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Old 06-10-2018, 07:05 AM
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if the GOP did something similar in the future to keep another outsider from entering the race.
They may well do that in 2023.
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Old 06-10-2018, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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The cheating and shenanigans were on Bernie's side - his campaign STOLE Hillary's data, his workers lied about being members of a union to infiltrate private meetings, his workers lied about residency so they could register to vote, he lied about endorsements he hadn't received, including running TV ads and sending out mailers with these lies. And of course, his lie about how "Jane" could never find their tax returns, the ones that showed her stealing money from a college before she destroyed it.

Not to mention the endless fantasies about how Bernie would have won - because sure, the GOP wouldn't have bothered to run a negative campaign against him, playing endless loops of things like his statements that bread lines and food rationing are good and dictatorship is ok some of the time, as along as it serves his interests. Running Bernie as the Dem candidate simply would have given Trump the popular vote and the electoral college landslide he claims he won but didn't.

And frankly, no, the Democrats don't need the votes of non-Democrats who think they get to hold the party hostage to get their way. We all know who gave us Trump and you have proven over and over again that you don't give a damn who is being hurt by that. Your opinion is meaningless to me because of that. You are as much a bully as your hero when you act that way, and not an example of any of the allegedly superior morals you think you possess.
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Old 06-10-2018, 08:26 AM
 
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It's sad that concentrating some efforts on the poor and ending the wars is considered "getting our way".
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Old 06-10-2018, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The Democratic National Committee’s rules and bylaws committee adopted a new rule on Friday [6/8/18] that would prevent outsiders like Bernie Sanders from seeking the party’s nomination in the 2020 presidential race.

“At the time a presidential candidate announces their candidacy publicly, they must publicly affirm that they are a Democrat,” the rule says. “Each candidate pursuing the Democratic nomination shall affirm, in writing, to the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee that they: A. are a member of the Democratic Party; B. will accept the Democratic nomination; and C. will run and serve as a member of the Democratic Party.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/eye-berni...225841348.html


I'm surprised by this. democrat socialist Bernie has a real shot of winning the presidential election should he run in 2020, but it doesn't look like he would get support from the dnc for a presidential run in 2020. he has always said he is not a democrat.
He is not a Democrat, so it makes sense. Is RNC allowing him?
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