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I am not interested in economic theories and a post from the Phil Donahue show? If you are unable to do better than this...........
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Originally Posted by pknopp
What exactly is "retarded" about wanting to see that everyone can afford health care when needed?
OMG!!! How perfect is this!! Those two statements so close together. What is "retarded" is assuming the only way to see that everyone can afford health care is to have the government run it. Of course you are not interested in dry, dull things like economic theory, when it is just so much easier to "care about people" and not let pesky details get in the way. The trouble with OPM (other people's money) is that even OPM runs out and when people are not allowed to keep the fruits of their own labor they stop producing more fruits of their own labor. The collapse of the Soviet system should have proved that to anyone paying attention. The trouble is the Soviet Union collapsed nearly 30 years ago and since the comrades in American universities can't bring themselves to bad mouth the old mother ship, young people aren't being educated about what socialism actually looks like. The disaster that Venezuela is right now is not being covered by the American media as a crisis that was brought on by socialist policies, but as a struggle of competing leaders.
A majority of people 18-29 have a more positive view of Socialism than Capitalism because they are not interested in economic theory either. It is much easier to form opinions on emotions rather than facts.
As to Milton Friedman on that special with Phil Donahue, I said it was a good place to start. And it is. It is the best 3 minutes of education you'd ever get. It is probably three minutes more than anyone 18-29 has ever heard in their life. But I said, it was a good place to start; after heating that 3 minutes you should then go on to read Milton Friedman's books, but you should also read John Locke, Adam Smith, Alfred Marshall, John Stuart Mill, Thomas Paine, Friedrich Hayek, Gary Becker, Henry Grady Weaver, Simon Smith Kuznets, Frank Knight, Karl Popper, Ludwig von Mises, George Stigler, Thomas Sowell, Walter E. Williams and Edward C. Prescott to begin to understand why capitalism (liberty) is better than socialism.
Why is Howard Schultz trying to hurt the Democrats?
I don't think he has been trying to hurt anyone. He may be trying to influence the discussion, and he may have some ambition to serve. He may actually get a bigger response from erstwhile Republicans, there are quite a few out there who feel alienated from the Republicans but do not feel comfortable with the Democrats.
I don't think the time is right for it, but he certainly has a right to put his ideas out in front.
Personally I am not crazy about the idea of billionaires in the white house at all. I think we have seen the failure of that experiment already.
The time is definitely right for it. If not now - when? The country is 21 trillion dollars in debt and climbing. If now is not the time to fix the budget mess, with a businessman in charge -- when is? Trump's made no effort to fix the problem, and I'll give him another 2 years - but Schultz might get my vote depending on where we are at.
Medicine is priced to what the majority of the people paying for it can afford. Note I said paying for it, not using it or being treated for it. If the two came together, meaning the people paying were the people using, the providers would have to figure out how to provide services that average people could afford.
And your waitress has to pay free market prices for everything else. The reason she can't afford health care now is because the government has mangled the market.
You like so many others that argue as you do, are not arguing in realities. "Free Markets" can not overcome simple realities. No waitress will be able to finance cancer treatment on her own no matter the system.
OMG!!! How perfect is this!! Those two statements so close together. What is "retarded" is assuming the only way to see that everyone can afford health care is to have the government run it. Of course you are not interested in dry, dull things like economic theory, when it is just so much easier to "care about people" and not let pesky details get in the way. The trouble with OPM (other people's money) is that even OPM runs out and when people are not allowed to keep the fruits of their own labor they stop producing more fruits of their own labor. The collapse of the Soviet system should have proved that to anyone paying attention. The trouble is the Soviet Union collapsed nearly 30 years ago and since the comrades in American universities can't bring themselves to bad mouth the old mother ship, young people aren't being educated about what socialism actually looks like. The disaster that Venezuela is right now is not being covered by the American media as a crisis that was brought on by socialist policies, but as a struggle of competing leaders.
A majority of people 18-29 have a more positive view of Socialism than Capitalism because they are not interested in economic theory either. It is much easier to form opinions on emotions rather than facts.
As to Milton Friedman on that special with Phil Donahue, I said it was a good place to start. And it is. It is the best 3 minutes of education you'd ever get. It is probably three minutes more than anyone 18-29 has ever heard in their life. But I said, it was a good place to start; after heating that 3 minutes you should then go on to read Milton Friedman's books, but you should also read John Locke, Adam Smith, Alfred Marshall, John Stuart Mill, Thomas Paine, Friedrich Hayek, Gary Becker, Henry Grady Weaver, Simon Smith Kuznets, Frank Knight, Karl Popper, Ludwig von Mises, George Stigler, Thomas Sowell, Walter E. Williams and Edward C. Prescott to begin to understand why capitalism (liberty) is better than socialism.
I've heard the arguments over and over without ever a solution. Just as you did not provide. You told me to watch a clip of an old Phil Donahue show.
Theories are NOT realities. Economic theories never figure people into those theories.
Anyone want to take bets on how long it takes before they #metoo Schultz?
I mean come on, Rolling Stone or Huffpo can certainly dig up somebody that worked at Starbucks corporate to anonymously write up an incident that occurred at an unspecified time, date, location with no other witnesses.
I think it will take a while.
They'll start out with the soft pressure and see if he folds and then go for the throat if he doesn't or appears to be gaining any traction.
Anyone want to take bets on how long it takes before they #metoo Schultz?
I mean come on, Rolling Stone or Huffpo can certainly dig up somebody that worked at Starbucks corporate to anonymously write up an incident that occurred at an unspecified time, date, location with no other witnesses.
I think it will take a while.
They'll start out with the soft pressure and see if he folds and then go for the throat if he doesn't or appears to be gaining any traction.
Wow.
Someone actually admits that they regard allegations of sexual abuse as nothing more than hit jobs.
I've heard the arguments over and over without ever a solution. Just as you did not provide. You told me to watch a clip of an old Phil Donahue show. Theories are NOT realities. Economic theories never figure people into those theories.
Yes, the theories are reality. Now I know you've never studied economics, because all the people I mentioned did their research on what was actually happening to cause economies to move and policies have been put into action based on those theories. You don't even bother to refute what Friedman said because you cannot.
Yes, the theories are reality. Now I know you've never studied economics, because all the people I mentioned did their research on what was actually happening to cause economies to move and policies have been put into action based on those theories. You don't even bother to refute what Friedman said because you cannot.
He speaks in generalities and false ideas. He speaks about "free markets" but there hasn't been free markets in decades if not centuries.
We nor any state is going to go to "free markets". It's not happening. You can argue and argue and argue for it but the vast majority of those who call for "free markets" have absolutely no desire to see actual free markets.
If you want to end the Federal Reserve, bail outs, tariffs, trade deals, I have no problem with that BUT it's never going to happen. Why should one argue over a system that is never going to happen?
She probably can afford to pay for someplace to live. In most of the country she likely has a car (likely not new or flashy, but something.) This means she buys car insurance. The point being, she figures out how to afford he basic necessities including various forms of insurance (alluding to the fact that she should be able to buy health insurance). This is a two way street. Those selling have to price their products/services to the point where people can afford their products, or they won't sell enough to stay in business. If third parties weren't paying for medical care, the medical industry would have to be the same way. If the only way doctor's, hospitals, drug companies, insurance companies, etc. could sell their products would be to price them for the masses to afford, they'd figure out how to do so. Right now, they don't have to. They stick it to the third parties to overpay. If that was eliminated, the system would have to rearrange itself so that the majority could pay directly, or they'd go out of business. They've bamboozled everyone, including apparently you, into believing this is not possible, and they the government needs to pay them through the nose. This is not the case.
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Originally Posted by pknopp
You like so many others that argue as you do, are not arguing in realities. "Free Markets" can not overcome simple realities. No waitress will be able to finance cancer treatment on her own no matter the system.
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