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View Poll Results: Best Democrat to run against Trump 2020
Senator Elizabeth Warren - Massachusetts 4 14.29%
Senator Bernie Sanders - Vermont (independent running as Dem) 10 35.71%
Governor Andrew Cuomo - New York 4 14.29%
Former FLOTUS Michelle Obama - Illinois 2 7.14%
Senator Hillary Clinton (yes again) 8 28.57%
Voters: 28. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-12-2019, 12:24 AM
 
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Issues on the Democratic agenda will be:

Tax hikes on the 1% wealthiest Americans

Single payer healthcare

Free college tuition and immediate student loan forgiveness for all

Drivers Licenses and work rights and freedom from search for all undocumented immigrants

Radically added regulations to reduce greenhouse emissions

A new net worth tax on millionaire households

A $22/hour minimum wage guarantee
If all of these actually passed under one president, we'd somehow managed to elect a president worse than Trump. I cannot support Single Payer Healthcare, Free tuition, Loan forgiveness, working rights for undocumented immigrants, net worth tax, and ridiculously high minimum wages.

The bolded ones are reasonable.

 
Old 03-12-2019, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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I really have no idea about Clinton, but what possible reason would you have for asserting that Obama, who is married to a woman, is gay?
You should try educating yourself a bit. Being married proves one thing, that you're married.
 
Old 03-12-2019, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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None of the above. The Democrat nominee has not yet emerged. If the Deems are smart, they will reject all of those clowns. Hickenlooper (not on list) is too boring, but if they could find a charismatic person similar to Hick they may win.
 
Old 03-12-2019, 11:34 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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None of the above. The Democrat nominee has not yet emerged. If the Deems are smart, they will reject all of those clowns. Hickenlooper (not on list) is too boring, but if they could find a charismatic person similar to Hick they may win.
Hickenlooper has two strikes against him: first is that name. Sounds like "Chickencooper". But I could get over that. Second strike bugs me more. And that's his refusal to admit he's a capitalist, like it's some kind of offensive word. I want to hear a Democrat come out in favor of free enterprise. Not this socialist crap. I could vote for someone to the left of myself but I draw the line at anything that smacks of anti-business, anti-free enterprise. But I'll be watching Chickencooper--I mean Hickenlooper. Despite his refusal to admit he's a capitalist I know he's pro-free enterprise.
 
Old 03-12-2019, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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None of the above. The Democrat nominee has not yet emerged. If the Deems are smart, they will reject all of those clowns. Hickenlooper (not on list) is too boring, but if they could find a charismatic person similar to Hick they may win.
I suspect that by 2020, the voters may have had all the charisma they can stand from their President.

The voters may have decided they've had enough experimenting with new and different candidates too, and may be willing to vote for someone who may lack an entertainer's charm and personality for a regular experienced politician who knows how government works and can get things passed through the process.

But who's to say? So far this century, the voters have always gone for a social agenda first and foremost, sometimes as a perceived need, sometimes in reaction to the current President.

Will this suddenly change next year? I tend to doubt it will.

We seem to prefer fighting over symbolism than being happy with the unexciting nuts and bolts of basic governance.
 
Old 03-12-2019, 03:00 PM
 
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These are our choices to run against Trump and it’s not likely these choices will change
This is a ridiculous poll. Hillary and Michele are definitely not running. Cuomo has said no, and Joe Biden is likely to get in.

But to the OP question, the answer is anyone. Anyone one is smarter than Trump, who is a complete dunce.
 
Old 03-12-2019, 03:07 PM
 
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I really have no idea about Clinton, but what possible reason would you have for asserting that Obama, who is married to a woman, is gay?
Not only that, but a gay Muslim terrorist who was born in Kenya!
 
Old 03-12-2019, 05:07 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Not only that, but a gay Muslim terrorist who was born in Kenya!
And don't forget Commie Pinko Marxist Leninist Bolshevik.
 
Old 03-13-2019, 01:51 AM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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Why choose people for the list who are not running (Clinton, Obama) and leave out names who have already declared they are running? It's pointless to say so, but I guess of your picks, Bernie has the biggest chance of actually winning.
I'll flip that for you. The only chance Bernie has of winning the Presidency is if Trump is the candidate, because if a decent, moderate Republican wins the nomination of the Republican party, that person would have a strong chance to beat Bernie Sanders.

Moderate Democrats like myself don't want Bernie, but faced with the prospect of having to choose between an intelligent, hard-working, decent, pragmatic human being who promises too much free stuff that he will not be able to deliver (Bernie), with a lying, cheating, ignorant, traitorous, narcissistic con man (Trump, obviously), I would have to vote for Bernie Sanders.

I trust that Bernie Sanders would be reigned in by moderate Democrats and Republicans so that he could not accomplish all that he promises, but at least I would not be ashamed of our Commander in Chief.

Also, if someone too far left somehow makes it to the White House, I believe the pendulum would swing again by midterms, this time more slowly, and hopefully would land us closer to the middle.
 
Old 03-13-2019, 05:59 AM
 
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I'll flip that for you. The only chance Bernie has of winning the Presidency is if Trump is the candidate, because if a decent, moderate Republican wins the nomination of the Republican party, that person would have a strong chance to beat Bernie Sanders.

Moderate Democrats like myself don't want Bernie, but faced with the prospect of having to choose between an intelligent, hard-working, decent, pragmatic human being who promises too much free stuff that he will not be able to deliver (Bernie), with a lying, cheating, ignorant, traitorous, narcissistic con man (Trump, obviously), I would have to vote for Bernie Sanders.

I trust that Bernie Sanders would be reigned in by moderate Democrats and Republicans so that he could not accomplish all that he promises, but at least I would not be ashamed of our Commander in Chief.

Also, if someone too far left somehow makes it to the White House, I believe the pendulum would swing again by midterms, this time more slowly, and hopefully would land us closer to the middle.

The middle doesn't work for most Americans except the elite who want to keep the status quo. Bernie vs Trump would be a great choice for the voters..populist left vs populist right. The biggest problem the Republicans face is there are too many chamber of commerce moderates floating around and not enough Trump Republicans. In fact I can't really think of any. The Republicans will only win if they have Trump or someone who passionately believes in the same issues.
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