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Originally Posted by JimMe
And the southern issue still exists today. Pat Buchanan has some amazing insight into the situation based on his roles at the time. As Catholics we are aware of the anti Papal bias, the historical animosity between the Protestants and Catholics, and the hope of reconciliation spiritually, but the political split in the US is still real.
That is because you don't see too many Catholics in the south. A Catholic church here is about as rare as a Mosque- few and far in between. And the funny thing is that people like Pat Buchanan actually fit in pretty well with most of the redneck crowd down here politically. They see eye to eye on most things. But being a Catholic would quickly get his honourary Klan membership revoked!
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Originally Posted by silas777
Liberal catholics will vote for the Democrat no matter who, and the practicing orthodox catholics will vote for McCain. Liberal Catholics seem to always put politics first, I dont get it!
That is not always the case. My sister is quite liberal on every issue but the abortion issue and that issue is why she did not vote for Kerry and will not vote for Obama either although she favours his positions on virtually every other issue (war, economic fairness, health care). At least she said she will not vote for McCain either.
Kev,
Wonderful, as a thinking US citizen, she picks the candidate that meets her interpretion of her values the best and as a Catholic she is free to do so. The Southern problem for Pat Buchanan was that in reaction to the strong Catholic vote for Kennedy, there was a huge push in the south to bring the traditional Southern Dems (vs the Lincoln party) who were mainly evangelical, on board with the Republicans. The argument is that the evangelical movement is not solely a spiritual movement, but financed and supported by those who wanted to counter the Catholic influence in govt. It is an interesting thing to follow up on. I lived in the deep South twice and yes, i was an alien being. Now I am in Virginia, and there are enough of us Yankees here, that we do see a Crucifix or two around town.
"Obama's campaign recently announced a roster including politicians, several nuns and a handful of former staffers of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops as his Catholics for Obama national advisory council.
It includes: Dominican Sister Jamie Phelps, director and professor of theology at the Institute for Black Catholic Studies at Xavier University in New Orleans; Sister Catherine Pinkerton, a Sister of St. Joseph and lobbyist for Network, the Catholic social justice lobby; Sharon Daly, a retired vice president for Catholic Charities USA; Ron Cruz, former head of the USCCB's Hispanic ministry office; and Catholic academics including Mary Jo Bane of Harvard's Kennedy School of Government in Cambridge, Mass., Lisa Cahill of Boston College and David O'Brien of the College of the Holy Cross in Worcester, Mass. "
Are you saying that people who believe in turning the other cheek, in giving all their wealth to the poor (if you have two coats, give one away), in caring for each person he meets as if he or she were Jesus himself walking throughout the country and provide food and housing for him, in rendering up to Caesar what is Caesar are Republican? Wow, then sign me up.
Yeah, you pretty much got it right, of course we are speaking in generalities, there will always be the exceptions, some God fearing dems, and those republicans who believe more in government than religion!
"Obama's campaign recently announced a roster including politicians, several nuns and a handful of former staffers of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops as his Catholics for Obama national advisory council.
It includes: Dominican Sister Jamie Phelps, director and professor of theology at the Institute for Black Catholic Studies at Xavier University in New Orleans; Sister Catherine Pinkerton, a Sister of St. Joseph and lobbyist for Network, the Catholic social justice lobby; Sharon Daly, a retired vice president for Catholic Charities USA; Ron Cruz, former head of the USCCB's Hispanic ministry office; and Catholic academics including Mary Jo Bane of Harvard's Kennedy School of Government in Cambridge, Mass., Lisa Cahill of Boston College and David O'Brien of the College of the Holy Cross in Worcester, Mass. "
Pretty sad. These are the same people bound and determined to push the Catholic Church down the same road that the mainline Protestant chuches took at the turn of the 20th century. And look where they're at now. The whole child abuse scandal, for the most part, was the result of that clique ignoring Church teaching on homosexuals in the clergy. And children paid for their political correctness. Trust me. If you're a faithful Catholic you will not support any candidate that does not respect the life of the innocent unborn.
Yeah, you pretty much got it right, of course we are speaking in generalities, there will always be the exceptions, some God fearing dems, and those republicans who believe more in government than religion!
The whole child abuse scandal, for the most part, was the result of that clique ignoring Church teaching on homosexuals in the clergy.
You are woefully mistaken. The whole child abuse scandal had to do with bishops mistaking their duty to Catholic laypeople. They received complaints, kept the situation quiet and told parishoners "Don't complain or you will harm the Church and give ammunition to the Church's enemies." They were criminally misguided. Don't blame any abuse scandals on homosexual men -- they had a WI nun sentenced for abusing kids last week and priests have been charged with abusing girls, also.
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If you're a faithful Catholic you will not support any candidate that does not respect the life of the innocent unborn.
Wrong again. The National Council of Bishops says don't be a single issue voter.
"The U.S. Catholic bishops have adopted moral guidelines for 2008 voters, saying that opposition to abortion is crucial, but that Catholics cannot be single-issue voters.
They mustn't use concern about poverty or war as an excuse to support the intentional killing of embryonic humans, but neither may their opposition to abortion permit them to treat other human rights issues as trivial, the bishops wrote.
"Racism and other unjust discrimination, the use of the death penalty, resorting to unjust war, the use of torture, war crimes, the failure to respond to those who are suffering from hunger or a lack of health care, or an unjust immigration policy are all serious moral issues that challenge our consciences and require us to act," the bishops wrote in Faithful Citizenship. "These are not optional concerns which can be dismissed. As Catholics we are not single-issue voters."
You are woefully mistaken. The whole child abuse scandal had to do with bishops mistaking their duty to Catholic laypeople. They received complaints, kept the situation quiet and told parishoners "Don't complain or you will harm the Church and give ammunition to the Church's enemies." They were criminally misguided. Don't blame any abuse scandals on homosexual men -- they had a WI nun sentenced for abusing kids last week and priests have been charged with abusing girls, also.
Wrong again. The National Council of Bishops says don't be a single issue voter.
"The U.S. Catholic bishops have adopted moral guidelines for 2008 voters, saying that opposition to abortion is crucial, but that Catholics cannot be single-issue voters.
They mustn't use concern about poverty or war as an excuse to support the intentional killing of embryonic humans, but neither may their opposition to abortion permit them to treat other human rights issues as trivial, the bishops wrote.
"Racism and other unjust discrimination, the use of the death penalty, resorting to unjust war, the use of torture, war crimes, the failure to respond to those who are suffering from hunger or a lack of health care, or an unjust immigration policy are all serious moral issues that challenge our consciences and require us to act," the bishops wrote in Faithful Citizenship. "These are not optional concerns which can be dismissed. As Catholics we are not single-issue voters."
Exactly, way back in the beginning of this discussion I brought this fact o the forum, and practicing Catholics are aware of the rules and rites and customs of the Church and do not make the silly one issue statements. It is inappropriate to support a candidate who will work only to save the unborn and not provide justice for all humans. The whole person must be considered.
It's not only that Obama is pro-choice. As with most issues his position on abortion tends toward the extreme. For example he voted against a bill that would have mandated basic medical care for an aborted fetus that survived an abortion procedure. In the abstract some Catholics can support a woman's right to choose. But I think they will draw the line at the heartlessness of a man who would allow a child to die. Gross!
He also voted against the ban on partial birth abortion. I would never vote for anyone that supports that inhumane practice.
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