Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Elections
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 05-02-2008, 10:33 AM
 
67 posts, read 119,617 times
Reputation: 39

Advertisements

Every one has the right to make their own decision on who they would vote for, but I ask that you do your research first and be fair. I am an active duty US soldier who is very disappointed in how this primary has turned out. Soldiers have fought and died for people in this country to have the right to vote. Neither McCain, Obama nor Clinton is perfect. Nor will either of them be a perfect president. But whoever is appointed will have the right to send myself and fellow soldiers to war, where we risk our lives for this country. The least that can be done in return, is when voting (the right that so many soldiers have fought and given their lives for) be done after you have fairly researched each candidate. I was pro Hillary, but "obliterating" a country is not what I want to hear from my future commander and chief. If Obama's Pastor Wright is the only thing we have against him then that is ridiculous. I myself have friends and associates I completely disagree with. That does not mean they influence me or I believe what they believe. For all those that are no doubt going to bring up the fact that Obama knew this man for 20 yrs he had to be influenced. Ask yourselves this, many of our ancestors (I am of mixed descent) were racist & even slave owners. If our great grandfathers were racist and our grandfathers were influenced by them who influenced there children who then influence their children and thus had to influence us too. Right? That's the logic that so many are using if someone as close to Obama as the reverend Wright was, was racist then he had to have influenced Obama. Well how many of us were influenced by our parents who we lived with every day for 18 or more years? I was not. If anything I tried harder to think less like them and more along what I thought was right. I love my family and I imagine a lot of people do. Me loving them does not mean that their thoughts are my thoughts. As Hillary Clinton said, "You can choose your pastor, but you don't choose you family". In that case she chose Bill Clinton who is Pro NAFTA, who made $800,000 off of it. She says she doesn't support this and they have always disagreed about it. Why does that logic not apply to Obama as well? Why is it so hard to believe that he may have been with Wright throughout the years (I am sure that Hillary spent more time with Bill than Obama spent with Reverend Wright) and not have been influenced by him? If you say he had, then wouldn't you also have to say that Hillary has been influenced by Bill or at the least by the $800,000?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 05-02-2008, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
45,217 posts, read 100,739,056 times
Reputation: 40199
Quote:
Originally Posted by barkleyq View Post
Every one has the right to make their own decision on who they would vote for, but I ask that you do your research first and be fair. I am an active duty US soldier who is very disappointed in how this primary has turned out. Soldiers have fought and died for people in this country to have the right to vote. Neither McCain, Obama nor Clinton is perfect. Nor will either of them be a perfect president. But whoever is appointed will have the right to send myself and fellow soldiers to war, where we risk our lives for this country. The least that can be done in return, is when voting (the right that so many soldiers have fought and given their lives for) be done after you have fairly researched each candidate. I was pro Hillary, but "obliterating" a country is not what I want to hear from my future commander and chief. If Obama's Pastor Wright is the only thing we have against him then that is ridiculous. I myself have friends and associates I completely disagree with. That does not mean they influence me or I believe what they believe. For all those that are no doubt going to bring up the fact that Obama knew this man for 20 yrs he had to be influenced. Ask yourselves this, many of our ancestors (I am of mixed descent) were racist & even slave owners. If our great grandfathers were racist and our grandfathers were influenced by them who influenced there children who then influence their children and thus had to influence us too. Right? That's the logic that so many are using if someone as close to Obama as the reverend Wright was, was racist then he had to have influenced Obama. Well how many of us were influenced by our parents who we lived with every day for 18 or more years? I was not. If anything I tried harder to think less like them and more along what I thought was right. I love my family and I imagine a lot of people do. Me loving them does not mean that their thoughts are my thoughts. As Hillary Clinton said, "You can choose your pastor, but you don't choose you family". In that case she chose Bill Clinton who is Pro NAFTA, who made $800,000 off of it. She says she doesn't support this and they have always disagreed about it. Why does that logic not apply to Obama as well? Why is it so hard to believe that he may have been with Wright throughout the years (I am sure that Hillary spent more time with Bill than Obama spent with Reverend Wright) and not have been influenced by him? If you say he had, then wouldn't you also have to say that Hillary has been influenced by Bill or at the least by the $800,000?

THANK YOU, THANK YOU for your service to our country - it is much appreciated and I pray you stay safe for the remainder of your time in the military.

This has been a disappointing election year for me as I have problems with all 3 of the remaining front runners. It's not a pretty picture. Personally I'm going to have to vote for THE most democratic candidate, the other two border way too close to socialist agendas and policies. At least after next week the NC primary will be behind us and we will stop being barraged with all the recorded phone messages to vote for this person or vote for that person - so annoying!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-03-2008, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
12,642 posts, read 15,600,753 times
Reputation: 1680
Barkleyq - This is a very interesting analogy. Very well put and thought out, and I have to confess, I had not considered it like this. Thank you for sharing!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-03-2008, 07:05 AM
LML
 
Location: Wisconsin
7,100 posts, read 9,112,238 times
Reputation: 5191
As the mother of an active duty soldier, I too am very disappointed in the results of this primary season. I think, with all the time we had, there was the opportunity to make a well researched, well thought out, well reasoned decision. Instead we seem to have made decisions based on no more than the usual bumper sticker slogans and talking heads philosophies. I pray that we will make more intelligent votes when choosing in November between those who remain. In the long run, it is our soldiers who must pay the most and the quickest for the choices we make.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-03-2008, 07:28 AM
 
439 posts, read 605,942 times
Reputation: 41
Barkleyq I'm with you on this one. Very well said. I hope more read your post. Thank you
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-03-2008, 07:36 AM
 
31,683 posts, read 41,045,989 times
Reputation: 14434
Even though I may agree with you Barkleyq I applaud you because you have posted a logical discourse to support your position. Agree or disagree all must concur your ability to think is a welcome breath of fresh air. Give the man some rep points people
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-03-2008, 07:52 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
14,317 posts, read 22,388,935 times
Reputation: 18436
Quote:
Originally Posted by barkleyq View Post
Every one has the right to make their own decision on who they would vote for, but I ask that you do your research first and be fair. I am an active duty US soldier who is very disappointed in how this primary has turned out. Soldiers have fought and died for people in this country to have the right to vote. Neither McCain, Obama nor Clinton is perfect. Nor will either of them be a perfect president. But whoever is appointed will have the right to send myself and fellow soldiers to war, where we risk our lives for this country. The least that can be done in return, is when voting (the right that so many soldiers have fought and given their lives for) be done after you have fairly researched each candidate. I was pro Hillary, but "obliterating" a country is not what I want to hear from my future commander and chief. If Obama's Pastor Wright is the only thing we have against him then that is ridiculous. I myself have friends and associates I completely disagree with. That does not mean they influence me or I believe what they believe. For all those that are no doubt going to bring up the fact that Obama knew this man for 20 yrs he had to be influenced. Ask yourselves this, many of our ancestors (I am of mixed descent) were racist & even slave owners. If our great grandfathers were racist and our grandfathers were influenced by them who influenced there children who then influence their children and thus had to influence us too. Right? That's the logic that so many are using if someone as close to Obama as the reverend Wright was, was racist then he had to have influenced Obama. Well how many of us were influenced by our parents who we lived with every day for 18 or more years? I was not. If anything I tried harder to think less like them and more along what I thought was right. I love my family and I imagine a lot of people do. Me loving them does not mean that their thoughts are my thoughts. As Hillary Clinton said, "You can choose your pastor, but you don't choose you family". In that case she chose Bill Clinton who is Pro NAFTA, who made $800,000 off of it. She says she doesn't support this and they have always disagreed about it. Why does that logic not apply to Obama as well? Why is it so hard to believe that he may have been with Wright throughout the years (I am sure that Hillary spent more time with Bill than Obama spent with Reverend Wright) and not have been influenced by him? If you say he had, then wouldn't you also have to say that Hillary has been influenced by Bill or at the least by the $800,000?
Great minds think alike. Excellent post and I concur. Is what I've been saying all along. When I first started out, I was simply pro-Democrat. I didn't care who s was. But as I listened to each candidate, Barack stood out as the far superior. For me, it is not what these candidates say that is important. It is where they come from, what their values are, and what is likely to be their "gut" response when faced with situations that will surely be unexpected and surprising to them. None of the candidates has ever been President, and none have ever been privy to the level of information that a President is privy to. Therefore, it is their deep convictions that I evaluate. Obama wins here hands down IMO. This country needs to be taken in a very different direction, one that is desperately required after Bill Clinton's disgraceful conduct, and 7 atrocious years under the worst President in history, George Bush. For me, it has always been clear, and thank God, Obama is well on his way. It would take wrongdoing on the part of the superdelegates to give Hillary the nomination after Barack has beaten her.

Thanks for your service!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-03-2008, 08:15 AM
 
Location: NC
1,142 posts, read 2,121,052 times
Reputation: 368
As a combat veteran of Vietnam thank you for your service and your love of Country. It is unfortunate that you seem to be leaning toward the most Un-American of the remaing four Candidates.

The is a lot that is WRONG about Barack Obama that you should know about before deciding that his finger should be on the trigger.

First and foremost he has never served in the military and has little or no knowledge of the military. When he visited Ft. Bragg in April reporters said he appeared "startled and shocked" at the military hardware and asked questions "like an elementary school student". He doesn't have the knowledge or the capability of leading the military and making decisions that will affect millions of lives.

What attributes does he have that would serve him as commander in chief of the largest and most powerful military in the world? In all likelyhood he would be no better or worse than Bush.

Secondly did you realize that Obama was raised by a mother who associated with known Communists and considered herself a Communist sympathizer? She participated in anti-American rallies and handed out Communist and Socialist literature in Hawaii. Barack Obama's father was a Kenyan Communist who abandoned his US family and went back to Kenya to take a job in a corrupt socialist government. When Barack, Jr and his mother left Hawaii for Indonesia she told friends she was glad to be leaving the USA and democracy for a life in a Socialist county. Barack grew up hearing his mother speak hatefully about the United States. When he returned to Hawaii to live with his white grandparents she arranged for him to meet and have lessons on Marxist Communism from Poet and Communist labor activist Frank Davis. Barack refers to him in his first book as "Frank, a father figure" but does not explain that he was a Communist identified by the FBI and suspected of organizing labor and race riots in the 1950's and 1960's.

After graduating from Harvard Obama moved to Chicago where he soon joined Reverend Jerimiah Wright's church. Wright's version of Christianity called Liberation Theology is a hate filled, racist and anti-American. Barack sat there and for 20+ years did not complain, protest or walk out. He listened and took it in. He listened as Wright blasphemed and used vulgar language in front of his 2 young girls. Barack listened and did nothing! He listened as Wright blamed America and cursed the government screaming obsenities. Barack listened and did nothing! He listened as Wright simulated sexual acts and used filthy language and expressions from his pulpit. Barack Obama listened and did nothing!

Any normal person would have protested, told the preacher he was not doing his job of preaching the love of God and the salvation of Jesus Christ, and most of us would have walked out! Barack Hussein Obama did nothing! That reveals a lot about the character of Barack Obama. Even Oprah, who attended Wright's church briefly, walked out and never returned. At least she had the strength of character and good sense to realize it was wrong.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-03-2008, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
4,829 posts, read 6,931,664 times
Reputation: 844
Quote:
Originally Posted by barkleyq View Post
Every one has the right to make their own decision on who they would vote for, but I ask that you do your research first and be fair. I am an active duty US soldier who is very disappointed in how this primary has turned out. Soldiers have fought and died for people in this country to have the right to vote. Neither McCain, Obama nor Clinton is perfect. Nor will either of them be a perfect president. But whoever is appointed will have the right to send myself and fellow soldiers to war, where we risk our lives for this country. The least that can be done in return, is when voting (the right that so many soldiers have fought and given their lives for) be done after you have fairly researched each candidate. I was pro Hillary, but "obliterating" a country is not what I want to hear from my future commander and chief. If Obama's Pastor Wright is the only thing we have against him then that is ridiculous. I myself have friends and associates I completely disagree with. That does not mean they influence me or I believe what they believe. For all those that are no doubt going to bring up the fact that Obama knew this man for 20 yrs he had to be influenced. Ask yourselves this, many of our ancestors (I am of mixed descent) were racist & even slave owners. If our great grandfathers were racist and our grandfathers were influenced by them who influenced there children who then influence their children and thus had to influence us too. Right? That's the logic that so many are using if someone as close to Obama as the reverend Wright was, was racist then he had to have influenced Obama. Well how many of us were influenced by our parents who we lived with every day for 18 or more years? I was not. If anything I tried harder to think less like them and more along what I thought was right. I love my family and I imagine a lot of people do. Me loving them does not mean that their thoughts are my thoughts. As Hillary Clinton said, "You can choose your pastor, but you don't choose you family". In that case she chose Bill Clinton who is Pro NAFTA, who made $800,000 off of it. She says she doesn't support this and they have always disagreed about it. Why does that logic not apply to Obama as well? Why is it so hard to believe that he may have been with Wright throughout the years (I am sure that Hillary spent more time with Bill than Obama spent with Reverend Wright) and not have been influenced by him? If you say he had, then wouldn't you also have to say that Hillary has been influenced by Bill or at the least by the $800,000?
Great post and thank you for your service. If more people would think about the voting process like you have at least the President we choose be it McCain, Obama, or Clinton, will have been voted in with clear thought behind each vote and not raw emotions. It is sad that the way media covers our elections causes people to polarize and bicker among each other rather than have constructive debate, but that is politics for you. Good luck to you and your family and God Bless you for your sacrifice for our country!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-03-2008, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
4,829 posts, read 6,931,664 times
Reputation: 844
Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Minor View Post
As a combat veteran of Vietnam thank you for your service and your love of Country. It is unfortunate that you seem to be leaning toward the most Un-American of the remaing four Candidates.

The is a lot that is WRONG about Barack Obama that you should know about before deciding that his finger should be on the trigger.

First and foremost he has never served in the military and has little or no knowledge of the military. When he visited Ft. Bragg in April reporters said he appeared "startled and shocked" at the military hardware and asked questions "like an elementary school student". He doesn't have the knowledge or the capability of leading the military and making decisions that will affect millions of lives.

What attributes does he have that would serve him as commander in chief of the largest and most powerful military in the world? In all likelyhood he would be no better or worse than Bush.

Secondly did you realize that Obama was raised by a mother who associated with known Communists and considered herself a Communist sympathizer? She participated in anti-American rallies and handed out Communist and Socialist literature in Hawaii. Barack Obama's father was a Kenyan Communist who abandoned his US family and went back to Kenya to take a job in a corrupt socialist government. When Barack, Jr and his mother left Hawaii for Indonesia she told friends she was glad to be leaving the USA and democracy for a life in a Socialist county. Barack grew up hearing his mother speak hatefully about the United States. When he returned to Hawaii to live with his white grandparents she arranged for him to meet and have lessons on Marxist Communism from Poet and Communist labor activist Frank Davis. Barack refers to him in his first book as "Frank, a father figure" but does not explain that he was a Communist identified by the FBI and suspected of organizing labor and race riots in the 1950's and 1960's.

After graduating from Harvard Obama moved to Chicago where he soon joined Reverend Jerimiah Wright's church. Wright's version of Christianity called Liberation Theology is a hate filled, racist and anti-American. Barack sat there and for 20+ years did not complain, protest or walk out. He listened and took it in. He listened as Wright blasphemed and used vulgar language in front of his 2 young girls. Barack listened and did nothing! He listened as Wright blamed America and cursed the government screaming obsenities. Barack listened and did nothing! He listened as Wright simulated sexual acts and used filthy language and expressions from his pulpit. Barack Obama listened and did nothing!

Any normal person would have protested, told the preacher he was not doing his job of preaching the love of God and the salvation of Jesus Christ, and most of us would have walked out! Barack Hussein Obama did nothing! That reveals a lot about the character of Barack Obama. Even Oprah, who attended Wright's church briefly, walked out and never returned. At least she had the strength of character and good sense to realize it was wrong.
Major Minor,

I agree 100% with you but I don't think this was the point. It was about thinking about who you vote for and apparently this person has. Regardless of why this person has chosen who they have that is their choice be it right or wrong. They have thought clearly about who they are voting for, that is the point.

We all have our reason for voting and I would hope that each vote is a mix of clearly analyzing the candidates and conscious. As long as this is what people do before casting their vote I am okay with the results and will live with the majority's decision good or bad.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Elections

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:26 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top