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I'm just blown away, by some of the stuff I see from conservatives on this board, like calling liberals communists, etc.
Well, you've had an extermely conservative government (except in fiscal responsiblity, which as not gone towards improving programs that help out people) since Jan. 2001? Try to compare that towards a government from 1992 to 2000. While Clinton was more liberal than Bush 2, he was really a centerist. Even if he was, well, look at the peace and prosperity that America had during 90% of his administration. Example: how many hostile deaths came out of the Bosnia conflict, US soliders (if I recall, not ONE!). Why do the conservatives really hate liberialism (or at least neo conservatives that come up with some of the most bizarre stuff, like loving to say Barack Hussien Obama)? Can you honestly say the US is going in the right direction under neo conservatism? Really?
If you can, then you must be either, in the top 1% of wealth, work in the oil industry and have something like Exxon Stock or believe it's all about gays, guns and god.
Of course I know the "left" can hurl insults too, but there seems to be more truth to stuff like "Bushco" and "Iraq war was all about Oil", than stuff like "Clintons morality was very trumatic for the USA".
I'm just blown away, by some of the stuff I see from conservatives on this board, like calling liberals communists, etc.
Well, you've had an extermely conservative government (except in fiscal responsiblity, which as not gone towards improving programs that help out people) since Jan. 2001? Try to compare that towards a government from 1992 to 2000. While Clinton was more liberal than Bush 2, he was really a centerist. Even if he was, well, look at the peace and prosperity that America had during 90% of his administration. Example: how many hostile deaths came out of the Bosnia conflict, US soliders (if I recall, not ONE!). Why do the conservatives really hate liberialism (or at least neo conservatives that come up with some of the most bizarre stuff, like loving to say Barack Hussien Obama)? Can you honestly say the US is going in the right direction under neo conservatism? Really?
If you can, then you must be either, in the top 1% of wealth, work in the oil industry and have something like Exxon Stock or believe it's all about gays, guns and god.
Of course I know the "left" can hurl insults too, but there seems to be more truth to stuff like "Bushco" and "Iraq war was all about Oil", than stuff like "Clintons morality was very trumatic for the USA".
there hasn't been a conservative in the white house in almost 100 years. also, do you mean that a conservative might be one of the 100,000,000 americans who own stock? that's 33%, not the top 1%.
I'm just blown away, by some of the stuff I see from conservatives on this board, like calling liberals communists, etc.
Well, you've had an extermely conservative government (except in fiscal responsiblity, which as not gone towards improving programs that help out people) since Jan. 2001? Try to compare that towards a government from 1992 to 2000. While Clinton was more liberal than Bush 2, he was really a centerist. Even if he was, well, look at the peace and prosperity that America had during 90% of his administration. Example: how many hostile deaths came out of the Bosnia conflict, US soliders (if I recall, not ONE!). Why do the conservatives really hate liberialism (or at least neo conservatives that come up with some of the most bizarre stuff, like loving to say Barack Hussien Obama)? Can you honestly say the US is going in the right direction under neo conservatism? Really?
If you can, then you must be either, in the top 1% of wealth, work in the oil industry and have something like Exxon Stock or believe it's all about gays, guns and god.
Of course I know the "left" can hurl insults too, but there seems to be more truth to stuff like "Bushco" and "Iraq war was all about Oil", than stuff like "Clintons morality was very trumatic for the USA".
Well neoconseravtives are not really conservative. They are militant progressives who use America's religious right as tools to promote fear and cronyism, while throwing a few scraps to the fiscal conservatives in the guise that a lower tax rate will solve anything and everything, spending be damned.
You would have been more accurate had you stated that contemporary Republicans hate liberalism but contemporary Republicans are some of the most liberal people in America and would love to waterboard anyone who disagrees.
Frnkly I lived thru Carter and other liberal goverments and it ws worse by far.Liberals have driven companies to the global marketssame as they have made use energy dependent by no drilling;no nuclear palnts etc. Now they are promoting that a good majority of peole be dependent on a evr samller group of peole for their needs. Thatwill just put the real power in teh hands of the few.You really don't thnik that Obama refused federal elction money because he will get his money fro small donors do you?Wake up he is not of the middle class same as none of teh major democrats aren't. Look to where they got there money.What liberals want is a elite who are safe from the masses because the masses are dependent on them for survival basics.They can live in the project as they do in much of the UK called council housing there.They go to outdatyed ;poorly staffed hospitals after waiting for any surgery for their care. IThe rich go to private hospitals or foreign for their care. That is wiht thye governamnt runing the hospitals there;what do you think the hospitals here are going to cut to provide for lessor paymants that are a basis for universal type care. Even medicare patients are now being dropped by physcians because of the low paymant rate.
I don't hate liberals--My best friend is a self described socialist. I just disagree with them philosophically. But despite my disagreements, I don't view them as bad people. Just miguided
To me conservatism is about fiscal responsibility--Bush and the GOP failed miserably in this area. I also have a deep seated distrust of the government's ability to solve anyone's problems. They do nothing but waste my money on government programs that don't actually help the people they're intended to help. I'd rather be free to use my money to give directly to the poor or someone I know who is in need. Liberals are well intended, but it always ends up going nowhere, like a mouse on a wheel.
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An additional point, even though I did not care for Reagan at all (but he's a saint compared to W), I will admit and he was a border line neocon, that America mostly enjoyed peace and prosperity under his watch.
Anyone that wants to know why the neoconservative movement, just like the liberal movement that spawned them, failed, download and watch the BBC documentary The Power of Nightmares. You won't find conspiracy theories, just interviews of the neocons and their actions starting in the 1950s. These people are not conservatives. They are neoconservatives. That neo prefix makes a huge difference in what they believe.
And if you want to know about Conservatism (without the neo), read The Conscience of a Conservative by Barry Goldwater (ghostwriter: L Brent Bozell Jr). You won't find many similarities in the two groups.
I don't hate liberals--My best friend is a self described socialist. I just disagree with them philosophically. But despite my disagreements, I don't view them as bad people. Just miguided
To me conservatism is about fiscal responsibility--Bush and the GOP failed miserably in this area. I also have a deep seated distrust of the government's ability to solve anyone's problems. They do nothing but waste my money on government programs that don't actually help the people they're intended to help. I'd rather be free to use my money to give directly to the poor or someone I know who is in need. Liberals are well intended, but it always ends up going nowhere, like a mouse on a wheel.
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[quote=texdav;4214823] Thatwill just put the real power in teh hands of the few.
We have not had that the last 8 years under W? The top .005 percent in this country make more than the bottom 15 percent in income!
.They can live in the project as they do in much of the UK called council housing there.They go to outdatyed ;poorly staffed hospitals after waiting for any surgery for their care.
Waiting for surgery, however, if it is life or limb threatening, then you don't wait
The rich go to private hospitals or foreign for their care.
An additional point, even though I did not care for Reagan at all (but he's a saint compared to W), I will admit and he was a border line neocon, that America mostly enjoyed peace and prosperity under his watch.
Reagan of 1964 and Reagan of 1984 were two totally different people. The neocon's influence on him was overwhelming. He was literally scared to death of the Soviets because of reports produced by people like Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz. Had we gotten the Reagan of 1964, we would have a different country today, better, I think.
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