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Old 09-06-2008, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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Paul and Obama are on the same side of the fence on the Iraq War.

And Democrats have a majority faction which is fighting hand in hand with Libertarians to fight against governmental wiretapping of American citizens with no judical oversight.
Ron Paul votes against funding the war in Iraq. He doesn't just talk about it.

You really don't want to bring up Obama and illegal wiretapping.

Obama: I'll Fight To Strip Telecom Immunity From FISA - Horserace

Election Central | Talking Points Memo | Obama Camp Says It: He'll Support Filibuster Of Any Bill Containing Telecom Immunity

Obama Statement on FISA | U.S. Senator Barack Obama (http://obama.senate.gov/press/080212-obama_statement_122/ - broken link)

Now, you might be wondering, how did Obama vote on FISA?

U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote

He voted Yea. He voted to allow a retroactive law to be placed on the books that puts the corporations ahead of the American people. So while Democrats may have a majority in their rhetoric, there were only 15 that stood up for what is right and voted against this bill. Obama was not one of them.
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Old 09-06-2008, 11:56 PM
 
Location: Fondren SW Yo
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Here's what Paul and "most" Democrats agree on. And what the GOP is almost entirely in favor of.


Repeatedly funded -- at the White House's insistence -- the Iraq War without conditions;


Defeated -- at the White House's insistence -- Jim Webb's bill to increase the intervals between deployments for U.S. troops;


Defeated -- at the White House's insistence -- a bill to restore habeas corpus, which had been abolished by the Military Commissions Act, enacted before the 2006 election with substantial Democratic and virtually unanimous GOP support;



Enacted -- at the White House's insistence and with substantial Democratic and virtually unanimous Republican support-- the so-called Protect America Act, vesting the President with extreme new warrantless eavesdropping powers;


Overwhelmingly approved the Senate's Kyl-Lieberman Resolution, to declare parts of the Iranian Government a "terrorist organization," an extremely belligerent resolution modeled after those which made "regime change" the official U.S. Government position towards Iraq;


Deleted from a pending bill -- at the direction of the House Democratic leadership and at the insistence of the White House -- a provision merely to require Congressional approval before the Bush administration can attack Iran;


Overwhelmingly enacted -- at the White House's insistence, and with substantial Democratic and virtually unanimous GOP support -- the "FISA Amendments Act of 2008," to vest the President with broad new warrantless eavesdropping powers and to immunize lawbreaking telecoms, all but putting an end to any chance for a real investigation and judicial adjudication of the Bush administration's illegal NSA spying program;


Confirmed, with the indispensable support of two key Democratic Senators, Bush's nominee for Attorney General, Michael Mukasey, despite his support for radical Bush theories of executive power and his refusal to oppose torture;


Stood by passively and impotently while Bush officials flagrantly ignored their Subpoenas and refused to comply with their investigations.
This wretched state of affairs was succinctly summarized by this single cartoon this weekend by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution's Mike Luckovich, examining, with depressing accuracy, how American history would have been different had Steny Hoyer, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Jay Rockefeller been running the Congress in 1974 rather than in 2008.

Most of these un-American, un-Constitutional laws/actions passed with nearly 100% GOP support along with less than 50% Democratic support.

This is why we need better Democrats, not third parties which are doomed to failure in a two-party, majority rule form of Government. (as opposed to a consensus model, or a palimentary system)

You mean it doesn't get better than this?:

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Old 09-06-2008, 11:59 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Why did you post a link to playboy?
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Old 09-07-2008, 12:00 AM
 
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Well being he is a 10 term Republican Congressman from Texas, I guess the people of Texas must be complete idiots to vote for a guy who wears a tin foil hat foil hat.
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Old 09-07-2008, 12:02 AM
 
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Here's what Paul and "most" Democrats agree on. And what the GOP is almost entirely in favor of.



Most of these un-American, un-Constitutional laws/actions passed with nearly 100% GOP support along with less than 50% Democratic support.

This is why we need better Democrats, not third parties which are doomed to failure in a two-party, majority rule form of Government. (as opposed to a consensus model, or a palimentary system)
You must be talking about a different Ron Paul then and I would suggest you take a closer look at fact check.org
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Old 09-07-2008, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Fondren SW Yo
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Why did you post a link to playboy?
crediting the website for the pic.
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Old 09-07-2008, 12:04 AM
 
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I think he will finally admit his defeat.
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Old 09-07-2008, 12:05 AM
 
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Ron Paul votes against funding the war in Iraq. He doesn't just talk about it.

You really don't want to bring up Obama and illegal wiretapping.

Obama: I'll Fight To Strip Telecom Immunity From FISA - Horserace

Election Central | Talking Points Memo | Obama Camp Says It: He'll Support Filibuster Of Any Bill Containing Telecom Immunity

Obama Statement on FISA | U.S. Senator Barack Obama (http://obama.senate.gov/press/080212-obama_statement_122/ - broken link)

Now, you might be wondering, how did Obama vote on FISA?

U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote

He voted Yea. He voted to allow a retroactive law to be placed on the books that puts the corporations ahead of the American people. So while Democrats may have a majority in their rhetoric, there were only 15 that stood up for what is right and voted against this bill. Obama was not one of them.

Obama wasn't in Congress to vote against the war. But it's very clear in his platform he wants the troops out just as soon as Paul does (in a safe manner of course). Much quicker than this loser McCain.

But we agree Obama did vote wrong on this lates FISA amendment. I never said he didn't. But most democrats voted against this latest FISA amendment. With 95% GOP block voting it only takes a minority of bad Democrats to get bad laws passed.
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Old 09-07-2008, 12:05 AM
 
Location: Fondren SW Yo
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Well being he is a 10 term Republican Congressman from Texas, I guess the people of Texas must be complete idiots to vote for a guy who wears a tin foil hat foil hat.
I'd say the same thing about another district's voters too...

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Old 09-07-2008, 12:06 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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crediting the website for the pic.


Did you see the Bristol's mom video? Good stuff.
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