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Old 02-04-2009, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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These are just a few of the little pieces of pork.

Where's the pork?

NBC broke down some of the bigger numbers in the bill, for example: $275 billion in tax relief, $90 billion for infrastructure, $79 billion for school funding, etc. Sounds good, right? But in the fine print, there's a lot of proposed spending that may raise a few eyebrows. In an interview with President Barack Obama, CBS' Katie Couric called him on some of the more unusual proposals:

Where's the pork? - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl238 - broken link)
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Old 02-04-2009, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
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These are just a few of the little pieces of pork.

Where's the pork?

NBC broke down some of the bigger numbers in the bill, for example: $275 billion in tax relief, $90 billion for infrastructure, $79 billion for school funding, etc. Sounds good, right? But in the fine print, there's a lot of proposed spending that may raise a few eyebrows. In an interview with President Barack Obama, CBS' Katie Couric called him on some of the more unusual proposals:

Where's the pork? - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl238 - broken link)
See, that's interesting. $800 million for Amtrak for "projects for the repair, rehabilitation, or upgrade of railroad assets or infrastructure." And so that money will be spent on goods and services and salaries to put those goods and services to use. The funds that the suppliers of the goods and services receive for their goods and services can be used to purchase other goods and services. Sounds to me like the purpose of a stimulus.

I don't think anyone is seriously doubting that spending money on repairing highways counts as stimulus; why doesn't this?

By the way, check out the readthestimulus web site. (No link, because it's blogish so I'm worried it would get deleted.) It's linked to from the above article. Pretty neat.
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Old 02-04-2009, 11:30 PM
 
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Yes, Couric ASKED him about some of it and he replied in an intelligent way and explained it.

And:

""However, both sides have signaled a willingness to concede. In an interview with CNN, Obama said he would consider cutting items that "may not really stimulate the economy right now." And in the spirit of bipartisanship, Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Nebraska) and Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) are working together to compile a list of recommended cuts, with a goal of reducing the bill by $200 billion."""


Anyone finding fault with that HAS a job.....for now.....
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:33 AM
 
Location: New York, New York
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These are just a few of the little pieces of pork.

Where's the pork?

NBC broke down some of the bigger numbers in the bill, for example: $275 billion in tax relief, $90 billion for infrastructure, $79 billion for school funding, etc. Sounds good, right? But in the fine print, there's a lot of proposed spending that may raise a few eyebrows. In an interview with President Barack Obama, CBS' Katie Couric called him on some of the more unusual proposals:

Where's the pork? - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl238 - broken link)
Yes I remember you read it interpreted by The Heritage Foundation. If you can point to the actual bill I would respect your question.
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Old 02-05-2009, 05:54 AM
 
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The Politics Of Doom, Declan McCullagh: Democrats Rush Stimulus Plan Through Congress Much Like Republicans Did With Patriot Act - CBS News
Today that pattern is repeating itself. Democrats over the years have developed a long list of policy goals, including spending more on alternative energy, Pell Grants, public housing and health care for the middle class. The "stimulus" legislation has become a convenient excuse to enact them at a time when the public may not be paying close attention.

There is some hope of cooler minds prevailing. An article in Wednesday's Washington Post reports that Senate Democrats don't have enough votes to enact the current version of this pork-stuffed bill.


Read the full article. Much of it is buried in grants to be administered later and in aid for cities. Much more in the article. The question is not only where's the pork but where's the beef?
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Old 02-05-2009, 06:50 AM
 
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These are just a few of the little pieces of pork.

Where's the pork?

NBC broke down some of the bigger numbers in the bill, for example: $275 billion in tax relief, $90 billion for infrastructure, $79 billion for school funding, etc. Sounds good, right? But in the fine print, there's a lot of proposed spending that may raise a few eyebrows. In an interview with President Barack Obama, CBS' Katie Couric called him on some of the more unusual proposals:

Where's the pork? - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl238 - broken link)
OK, please post the REPUBLICAN plan/bill/package/idea for getting the U.S. out of their mess......is it completely "pork" free???


WOW! THAT would be a FIRSTin American history!!

Where is it????

What's the repub plan???????????????????????????????


Have they consulted with Joe the Plumber yet??? LOL!
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Old 02-05-2009, 07:10 AM
 
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OK, please post the REPUBLICAN plan/bill/package/idea for getting the U.S. out of their mess......is it completely "pork" free???


WOW! THAT would be a FIRSTin American history!!

Where is it????

What's the repub plan???????????????????????????????


Have they consulted with Joe the Plumber yet??? LOL!
Republican Stimulus Plan – Better Idea Or Political Posturing? - Rapid Recap - CNBC.com (http://www.cnbc.com/id/29020945?__source=RSS*blog*&par=RSS - broken link)
In response Senate Republicans offered their own, cheaper economic stimulus plans focused on tax cuts – it’s a plan priced at $445 billion, half the cost of Democratic version which totals $885 billion.

It centers on


More to read in the article for you to digest and then support or refute. I don't think Joe was involved like Nancy was in the House debacle.
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Old 02-05-2009, 08:28 AM
 
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Obama isn't responsible for the pork, the selfish House Democrats porked the bill up. Obama, because he didn't want to step on any legislative toes, left aspects of the bill up to Congress which turned out to be a mistake because House Democrats, instead of realizing that this was a bill to stimulate the economy, added pet projects. If Bush was still in office, or if there was a Republican majority then I suspect House Republicans would have done the same. I find it terribly selfish though because it reflects badly on Obama, even if he isn't responsible for it. Pelosi needs to get her troops back in line and they just need to sit down and shut up and get a bill out that won't give that douchey Rush Limbaugh and the Republicans in Congress as much to complain about.
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Old 02-05-2009, 08:34 AM
 
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Republican Stimulus Plan – Better Idea Or Political Posturing? - Rapid Recap - CNBC.com (http://www.cnbc.com/id/29020945?__source=RSS*blog*&par=RSS - broken link)
In response Senate Republicans offered their own, cheaper economic stimulus plans focused on tax cuts – it’s a plan priced at $445 billion, half the cost of Democratic version which totals $885 billion.

It centers on


More to read in the article for you to digest and then support or refute. I don't think Joe was involved like Nancy was in the House debacle.
""""focused on tax cuts""


Don't have to read any farther...tax cuts do NOT stimulate the economy but talking about them stimulates those who support Repubs.
Repubs know how shallow the public is and need only to hear "tax cut" as opposed to "raise taxes" and that's all they need for support of the masses.
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Old 02-05-2009, 08:41 AM
 
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Obama isn't responsible for the pork, the selfish House Democrats porked the bill up. Obama, because he didn't want to step on any legislative toes, left aspects of the bill up to Congress which turned out to be a mistake because House Democrats, instead of realizing that this was a bill to stimulate the economy, added pet projects. If Bush was still in office, or if there was a Republican majority then I suspect House Republicans would have done the same. I find it terribly selfish though because it reflects badly on Obama, even if he isn't responsible for it. Pelosi needs to get her troops back in line and they just need to sit down and shut up and get a bill out that won't give that douchey Rush Limbaugh and the Republicans in Congress as much to complain about.
This is priceless. Are you really so deluded to think that your leader, the great and mighty b. hussein, is sitting back helplessly while the House democrats porked up this ridiculous plan? You can't be serious. Let's put it this way...your guy is the puppeteer and all his little loony leftie cohorts are the puppets. Actually, judging from your post, I should include all the rest of you loons who voted for him in the puppet category. Unbelievable.
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