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Oops...guess I should've read your comment before answering the poll...hehe, my apologies...I'm not on the Americas forum after all.
For the "lax enough" response, just be sure to factor out one American who strongly favors our comparatively lenient gun laws in contrast to many E.U. countries (my home state does an even better job of securing 2nd Amendment rights).
Oops...guess I should've read your comment before answering the poll...hehe, my apologies...I'm not on the Americas forum after all.
For the "lax enough" response, just be sure to factor out one American who strongly favors our comparatively lenient gun laws in contrast to many E.U. countries (my home state does an even better job of securing 2nd Amendment rights).
Well, it's the "Europe" forum.
I didn't think any E.U. national would pick it, but I just had to include it. Makes the list complete. But I'm not an expert, of course. Maybe there is a country where the laws are (more) lax and the person is satisfied with the way it is. Or, there, maybe, might be someone who thinks, what you consider strict, is lax. I guess that, then, this would be a good option, too.
The thing, though, is this. Here, people love to tout the 2nd amendment, but how many people actually CARRY a gun? And nobody really wants to be seen carrying a gun ( you can still see the outline, for instance ). They are too big to actually carry. Most people, at least those who do have one, just have one at home. And most gun control attempts in the past would not even have touched that.
Which brings me to the question how people would defend themselves, I mean those who voted, if they were attacked on the street, for instance. Although most people here do not carry a gun, the thugs at least know there's a possibility and will often leave you alone then.
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I didn't think any E.U. national would pick it, but I just had to include it. Makes the list complete. But I'm not an expert, of course. Maybe there is a country where the laws are (more) lax and the person is satisfied with the way it is. Or, there, maybe, might be someone who thinks, what you consider strict, is lax. I guess that, then, this would be a good option, too.
As far as European countries go, it's my understanding that, for example, Switzerland and the Czech Republic are really quite lenient in terms of firearms that are permissable for personal ownership; however, I'm not sure about laws their laws pertaining to self-defense with a firearm. The "stand your ground" philosophy seen in many U.S. states doesn't immediately strike me as something most E.U. countries would embrace.
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Originally Posted by Glucorious
The thing, though, is this. Here, people love to tout the 2nd amendment, but how many people actually CARRY a gun? And nobody really wants to be seen carrying a gun ( you can still see the outline, for instance ). They are too big to actually carry. Most people, at least those who do have one, just have one at home. And most gun control attempts in the past would not even have touched that.
Which brings me to the question how people would defend themselves, I mean those who voted, if they were attacked on the street, for instance. Although most people here do not carry a gun, the thugs at least know there's a possibility and will often leave you alone then.
The state where I live is quite relaxed in terms of personal gun ownership laws, and it's still somewhat uncommon for me to see someone walking around with a rifle hoisted around their shoulders or a loaded handgun in their holster. While I do live in a state where "gun culture" is alive and well, most of us, strangely, probably don't give firearms much of a second thought--we don't live in fear of death by gunfire, and we don't fear gun-owners (not even their "assault" rifles).
For that reason, it's impossible for me to identify with the anti-gun parnoiacs I encounter from many other "western" countries. While I don't consider myself to be an opponent of all gun control measures, I'm not, for example, deranged enough to believe that UK or Australia-style disarmament is appropriate in any society that wants to advertise itself as "free." In my opinion, gun-control of that sort has nothing to do with safety--it has everything to do with promoting twisted illusions of civility. While society's criminals continue to kill, rape, steal, etc., well, at least we've gotten rid of guns!
It's a superficial "solution" to much, much deeper problems. If there's any objective precedent in the U.S. for tightening firearm regulations in the name of crime reduction, then please, anyone, I'd love to see it.
And I hope that Americans will ALWAYS tout their 2nd Amendment rights, even those of them who, like me, aren't gun enthusiasts. Our 2nd Amendment is nothing to be ashamed of.
As far as European countries go, it's my understanding that, for example, Switzerland and the Czech Republic are really quite lenient in terms of firearms that are permissable for personal ownership; however, I'm not sure about laws their laws pertaining to self-defense with a firearm. The "stand your ground" philosophy seen in many U.S. states doesn't immediately strike me as something most E.U. countries would embrace.
"Stand your ground" is not the same. Every country has "self defense". Stand your ground is probably for homes or situations where you THINK you might be in danger and could get out of the way ( or not, as in this case ). Self defense means it's already too late. You've already been attacked. I'm not saying using a gun would be without consequences since you can't have one in the first place. So you'll probably be looking at illegal possession of firearms charges, and possibly for having one in public.
I had to make the poll public or you'd have a crap load of Americans etc. voting. But I think public polls scare off some people for some reason.
I should not have said citizens in the OP, it should say RESIDENTS.
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While I don't consider myself to be an opponent of all gun control measures, I'm not, for example, deranged enough to believe that UK or Australia-style disarmament is appropriate in any society that wants to advertise itself as "free." In my opinion, gun-control of that sort has nothing to do with safety--it has everything to do with promoting twisted illusions of civility. While society's criminals continue to kill, rape, steal, etc., well, at least we've gotten rid of guns!
Are you actually saying that because the UK / Australia has stricter gun control laws it means that they are less 'free' societies!!!!!! un-believable!!!!! You can own a gun in the UK if you have a licence and a good reason for owning one - why on earth would you want one otherwise!!!!!! You are able to walk the streets, go to the shopping centre or go to college in the UK without having a lunatic shooting at you - to me that makes the society more 'free' than a country that is continually having maniacs shooting college kids just because they want the notoriaty!!
And I hope that Americans will ALWAYS tout their 2nd Amendment rights, even those of them who, like me, aren't gun enthusiasts. Our 2nd Amendment is nothing to be ashamed of.
The gun massacres that happen every week in the USA are nothing to be ashamed of
I'm British, living in Britain and i'm happy with the level of gun control that we have.
Yes, naughty people can still get firearms but it's by no means prevelant amongst criminals. I could own a firearm if i wished as i pass all the checks and have a licence but i have no need for one.
I wouldn't want our gun laws to change and would vote against and loosening of the laws if it ever reached that point.
Are you actually saying that because the UK / Australia has stricter gun control laws it means that they are less 'free' societies!!!!!! un-believable!!!!! You can own a gun in the UK if you have a licence and a good reason for owning one - why on earth would you want one otherwise!!!!!! You are able to walk the streets, go to the shopping centre or go to college in the UK without having a lunatic shooting at you - to me that makes the society more 'free' than a country that is continually having maniacs shooting college kids just because they want the notoriaty!!
What? Are you kidding? Don't you understand that the 12 people killed at the cinema in Colorado and the 7 people killed at the Sykh Temple in Wisconsin are the right price to pay to be free?
Do you want conservative America to be like that socialistic/communist/godless/leninist/stalinist/fascist/nazi hellish s**tholes scalled Australia, France and Germany?
Australia, France and Germany offers such a bad quality of life compared to free States such as Alabama, Missouri, Mississippi, Nevada, West Virginia, South Carolina... oh wait... nevermind
As being a firearms owner I am content with the level of gun control back in the UK and in Spain.
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