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The other two Baltics (Latvia and Lithuania) are kind of Slavic, by culture.
What I meant was, that the Balts (Lats & Liths) wouldn't agree with that at all. It's a huge political thing. Approach with caution.
I'm still for a "Fenno-Baltica" grouping. But if the Finnic peoples are going to be finicky, then it would have to be broken into 2 groupings: Finland/Estonia, and Latvia/Lithuania. So much for the neat-and-tidy 3 macro-groupings. That was mostly fantasy, anyway. Reality is something else.
I notice the Caucasus got left out. haha! What a potential nightmare! And we haven't reached a decision on what to do with Hungary, right?
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Map is alright, but Northern France in the same category as Greece?
It is not more strange than Portugal being with lumped with Greece (wich is actually much farther to Greece than not only northern France, but even to Moscow. Culturally Greece has not much in common with Portugal either.
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and Iceland in the same category as England?
Islands off the coast of Europe, in the north Atlantic ocean, speaking germanic language and being mostly of Protestant cultural background. having populations in big parts of norse and British ancestry (many icelandic have irish origins).... fit together quite naturally to me.
The other two Baltics (Latvia and Lithuania) are kind of Slavic, by culture. Estonia and Finland are close to Sweden in culture.
And the people are somewhat similar, right?
Finns, Estos and Swedes?
No, the Balts are not kinda Slavic. They are not kinda Germanic, and they are not kinda Finno-Ugric. Even if the gene pool is mixed due to historical/geopolitical factors over the course of time, we are who we are, a unique branch of indo-europeans.
Have a 4th category: "Baltica", with Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and Finland.
Romania should be part of "Classica". Big mistake to call it "Slavic" just because it's in Eastern Europe. Same w/Moldova. Give Hungary it's own color.
Go, Basques!
Even more for Croatia, there is more classical heritage / sq. km (ancient Greek sites, Roman architecture and so on) than in France or Spain. The Classical world is more Eastern than Western. Even the core of the Roman civilisation was a copy of the Hellenistic one.
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But lets face it Eastern Europe is really quite different in culture to Western Europe, the UK and Ireland even more so. The threshold for those countries is more Russia than Europe tbh - e.g Ukraine etc.
Yes, they are all inheriters of the culture of the Eurassian steppes. Nevertheless, Ukrainians find offesive to be considered Russians and there is a considerable aversion against Russians because of them being subjects of Russian kingdom and other issues.
Yes, they are all inheriters of the culture of the Eurassian steppes. Nevertheless, Ukrainians find offesive to be considered Russians and there is a considerable aversion against Russians because of them being subjects of Russian kingdom and other issues.
Sorry that it hurts their feelings, but what can you do if Russia started with Ukraine))))
Fact.
No, the Balts are not kinda Slavic. They are not kinda Germanic, and they are not kinda Finno-Ugric. Even if the gene pool is mixed due to historical/geopolitical factors over the course of time, we are who we are, a unique branch of indo-europeans.
"The Balts" is an awful term. Lithuania and Latvia are much different from Estonia. Culturally, racially, economically, quality-wise.
I'm sorry, geography should not fully dictate a region.
This is why "Baltica" is more accurate if it includes five countries. Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Belarus. We cannot group Estonia into those two other nations. They have all shared history with each other commonly, granted not as commonly as Estonia has with the Scandinavia region which dates back 1,000 years and counting.
How does one even think about calling Finland or Estonia Eastern Europe with their only similarities being annexed? Of which Estonia's annexation wasn't recognized by 99% of countries in the world? I'm sorry, but it's no dice!
It is what it is. Just like erasure said - "it is a fact, sorry if it hurts their feelings!"
I personally believe Ruth has the best solution, as this will also work for Czech, Hungary, Slovakia and Poland. It's somewhat known that Czech is the nicest of the four, but we might have to group Czech with Austria and Slovenia and the other three together.
The first map is just a linguistic one (with some exceptions like Greece). If you mix different criteria (sociology, economy, climatology, history...), the three Europe would be rather the southern Europe (Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece, maybe Albania), a Western Europe (UK, France, Germany, Benelux, Austria, Switzerland, maybe Scandinavia) and an Eastern Europe (ex-USSR block).
The first map is just a linguistic one (with some exceptions like Greece). If you mix different criteria (sociology, economy, climatology, history...), the three Europe would be rather the southern Europe (Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece, maybe Albania), a Western Europe (UK, France, Germany, Benelux, Austria, Switzerland, maybe Scandinavia) and an Eastern Europe (ex-USSR block).
Well it would be incorrect to call the map a linguistic one, since the author with his utmost ignorance has decided to call 8 (!!!) completely non-Slavic countries "Slavic", when in other groups there's barely even that many countries altogether... It's nice that you noticed that Greece doesn't belong to latin countries, but even if all countries currently marked pink were called "Germanic" it still wouldn't be as wrong as what the author has done with the green color in the east.
Also, in your "three Europe" you seem to have forgotten to mention many central European countries (Hungary, Slovakia), I'm guessing you categorize them as "Western Europe" then?
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Europe has a lot more than just 3 cultural sides and classifications, so I find the map to be way overly generalized and not that accurate or specific.
At the minimum amount, there is at least 7 cultural categories related to this: Romance Latin, Celtic, Benelux, Scandinavian, Germanic, Slavic, Balkan.
Some country areas that would be included for each of those labels:
Romance Latin: Most of Italy, Spain, France, some areas of Switzerland.
Celtic: UK: England/Scotland/Wales, Ireland, tiny areas of Northwestern France.
Benelux: Netherlands, Belgium.
Scandinavian: Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Denmark.
Germanic: Germany, Austria, some of Switzerland, tiny areas of far Northeastern France.
Slavic: Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland, Ukraine, Russia, most of Romania, Bulgaria.
Balkan: Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Albania, Macedonia, tiny areas of Southeastern Romania, some of Bulgaria.
Europe is very diverse in terms of amount of countries, various national+regional identities, and historical+modern connections between all of these areas of Europe.
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Same w/Moldova. Give Hungary it's own color.
