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View Poll Results: Ukraine in EU?
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Old 09-20-2013, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Vienna, Austria
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You mean Austrian-Hungarian Empire?

Why, I've heard a thing or two, but...the language, the culture ( be that Hungarians or Czecs) - nope, sorry, those relations were not "special" enough.
Besides, is it a first time when Germans ( ugh, sorry - Austrians ) unite under their umbrella someone/something else?
At least we have obviously lost our need to get someone under "our umbrella" by now. Contrary to the Russians as it seems to be the case.
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Old 09-20-2013, 07:08 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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You mean Austrian-Hungarian Empire?

Why, I've heard a thing or two, but...the language, the culture ( be that Hungarians or Czecs) - nope, sorry, those relations were not "special" enough.
Besides, is it a first time when Germans ( ugh, sorry - Austrians ) unite under their umbrella someone/something else?
By your definition, do you think Austria "belongs" to Germany given their linguistic and historical connection?
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Old 09-20-2013, 07:39 PM
 
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I wish Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine would all get a standard that would enable them to join the EU; just being at that standard would mean everyone would have a better quality of life.
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Old 09-20-2013, 07:46 PM
 
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At least we have obviously lost our need to get someone under "our umbrella" by now. Contrary to the Russians as it seems to be the case.
Lol no, the current Russian government is so greedy (and therefore shortsighted,) that unlike all previous Russian governments they don't want to get anyone under their "umbrella," because that means they'd have to share natural resources and subsidize someone else's economies, as it has been a case before.
What Putin and his ilk want to do today, is to milk everyone and to twist everyone's arm, not to take anyone "under their umbrella." That saves them money (or so they think) that they can have all for themselves.
The only thing I can do is to wish them good luck with that, because excessive greed never ended up well, even if for the moment being P. thinks that his throne is quite stable and comfortable))))

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Old 09-20-2013, 07:50 PM
 
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By your definition, do you think Austria "belongs" to Germany given their linguistic and historical connection?
Deep down - yes, I think so, in the same manner as Bavaria more or less.
However since Austria was a German entity in the past that laid foundation for yet another "German- organized" state ( a.k.a. Austrian-Hungarian Empire,)- that's what left Austria standing on its own at the end.
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Old 09-20-2013, 08:01 PM
 
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I wish Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine would all get a standard that would enable them to join the EU; just being at that standard would mean everyone would have a better quality of life.
And I believe that Russia, Belarus and Ukraine should have its own union, it's own stable and decent government, because Russia is really not a "country but the whole continent" as one of my friends once said. This "continent" should have served as a good counter-balance for the US economy and world politics, as much as provide a prosperous market for Western European goods, ( that were traditionally in demand in Russia) and support European economy that Europeans wouldn't feel any need to scramble in order to withstand the US pressure be it in terms of politics or economy. This way this multi-polar world would have been a prosperous and stable place to live in.
I believe it was all suppose to happen back in the nineties, with the fall of Soviet system, but someone somewhere screwed it all up real bad.
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Old 09-20-2013, 08:19 PM
 
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I suspect that a few centuries from now, if Ukraine as a country still exists, Ukrainians will think of their historical connection to Russia the same way Hungarians think of their connection to Austria, or Fins of their connection to Sweden, or the Benelux of their connections to each other or to Spain, etc. The fact that Kiev was once the capital of Russia will just be an interesting anecdote, kind of like how Istanbul was once the capital of the eastern Roman Empire.
Istanbul was never a capital of Eastern Roman Empire.
Constantinople was.
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Old 09-20-2013, 09:32 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Istanbul was never a capital of Eastern Roman Empire.
Constantinople was.
Oh, they changed the name so I guess it doesn't count anymore. Good to know that all the Ukranians have to do is change "Kiev" to something like "Veik" and we'll forget it ever had any connection to Russia
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Old 09-20-2013, 10:01 PM
 
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I wonder what offer was made to the semi-criminal Ukrainian clans, rooted in the Russian speaking Eastern Ukraine and running the government, so they couldn't refuse it? Their strongest (if not the only) supporters are either ethnic Russians or thoroughly russified Ukrainians of the Eastern Ukraine longing for closer ties (if not outright merger) with Russia. Why such a change of heart?

From a standpoint of the Ukrainian state, it's probably a good thing. Since, Russian speaking semi-criminal "elite" will push Russian speaking supporters (using all means necessary, you guess) to embrace the cause they strongly object. Had Ukrainian speaking "elite" (that doesn't really exist, btw) pushed for the same, Ukraine could split.
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Old 09-20-2013, 10:09 PM
 
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Oh, they changed the name so I guess it doesn't count anymore. Good to know that all the Ukranians have to do is change "Kiev" to something like "Veik" and we'll forget it ever had any connection to Russia
They didn't just "change" the name; Constantinople has been conquered and submitted under Islam by Turks.
As much as you might like to forget this fact, Islamic culture is one of the main reasons why Europeans feel reluctant to admit Turkey in E.U. Therefore there is no "we" in this case as you are trying to imply, so speak for yourself, in the same manner when you speak about Kiev and who is ready to forget what.
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