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Old 08-22-2021, 04:57 PM
 
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Do you think European Russians would consider a transformation from 90% European Russian to 50% European Russian (and 40% Haitian, Guetmalen, Syrian, Salvadoran, Honduran, Nigerian, Laosian, Vietnamese, Hmong, Filopino) in 80 years to be a good thing?
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Old 08-22-2021, 05:01 PM
 
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The Taliban are using Russia to negotiate with Ahmad Massoud

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2021/0...ahmad-massoud/


Yes, they mentioned it today on Russian news.

This visit to the Russian embassy was only predictable and logical; apparently Talibs notify the Russians that they are ready for negotiations.
Why?

Because the people that sit in Pandjsher valley ( i.e. "the resistance") are ethnic Tadjiks and Uzbeks - i.e. the natives of the lands that are traditionally under Russian control ( not to mention Russian military bases/troops on the Afghan-Tadjik border.) ( That's among other factors why Taliban consider Russia to be an important player in the region now.)

But, as I've said the problem is that Ahmad Massoud Junior has ties to London, not to Moscow. And as much as he is asking the Westerners for help now, there are no takers so far.

But MOSCOW would give him a hand, only if he'd figure out that he needs to start learning Russian.

( As I've mentioned, Russians were negotiating with his father, who basically said in one of his public speeches, that he won't accept any powers ( Islamic powers including,) if they don't benefit Afghan people.)
But Massoud Senior was assassinated by Al Qaeda couple of days before September 11.



The former Afghan army is arriving to Pandsher Valley as well, to join former vice president Amrullah Saleh, who hails from the same region, and who ( interestingly enough) was starting his military career back in the day under Massoud Senior. Now he finds himself in the same camp with his son.

( From what I see further in these news, it looks like the negotiations for now didn't succeed, Massoud junior didn't accept the offer and the military actions resumed, with Taliban gaining some ground in certain areas and losing in the other.)


Another important point; ( at 4:53) Abdul Ghani Baradar the political leader of Taliban arrived to Kabul to form the new *inclusive* government.


"Baradar was captured in Pakistan by a team of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) officers in February 2010[7] and was released on 24 October 2018[8] at the request of the United States.[9][10][11] Since his release he has played an increasingly influential role within the Afghan Taliban movement."


For now Baradar is serving as the prime minister of Talibs and the head of the international relations. He is the political leader of Taliban. Baradar was one of the at the Taliban founders, along with Mohammed Omar.



"Omar became wanted by the United States government after being accused of harbouring Osama bin Laden and other al-Qaeda militants after the September 11 attacks against the US.[26] Following the US invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, Omar was deposed as Head of the Supreme Council. He secretly fled his residence in Kandahar and then directed the Taliban insurgency against NATO-led forces and the new government of Afghanistan"


In 2010, with the help of the CIA and Pakistan special service he ended up in jail, but 8 years later he was set free by Americans and he was the person who signed the deal with Washington, (at 5:26) in the result of which Taliban was supposed to put the arms down to and stop the military actions.
But Talibs broke their end of agreement.


For twenty years Americans and Britons were teaching Afghans the liberalism and democracy, until they've got tired of it. But their effort was not in vain.

After all, the young Afghans at least got used to live in the country that had entertainment and women were walking streets alone, using the kind of clothes and make-up they liked. (5:48-5:52)
Recently the Afghan star of pop music Ariana Said escaped from the country, once she realized that she won't be able to give her concerts any longer. ( 5:57)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-qkHsvTIEk


So I guess the dreamy and idealistic "Pandsher group" needs to see the light, and may be someone like Bashar Assad will *gently nudge them* in the right direction.


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Russia is genuinely worried that Taliban may not have resources to ensure 100% border security. CSTO is preparing for terrorist groups that may cross over - principally, ISIS cells created by US in Badakhshan. Times won't admit ISIS is US geopolitical tool, hence bull****ting.

https://twitter.com/Z_DauletSingh/st...01945588989952
Russians obviously don't need the group of people in charge of Afghanistan, who will run their government according to the "friendly commands" from Riyadh, Oman and the rest of the "Gulf team."

That's like next Beslan waiting to happen.



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Syrian air defenses downed 22 of 24 Israeli missiles fired from Lebanese airspace – Russian Defense Ministry

https://www.rt.com/russia/532686-syr...s-22-missiles/
Need to look into what's happening there as my next stop.
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Old 08-22-2021, 05:57 PM
 
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On the situation in Syria. I do believe Russia is getting tired of Isreals shenanigans.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_GZ4YjuX6w&t=1646s
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Old 08-22-2021, 06:11 PM
 
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Gulf Arab states take wait-and-see posture on Taliban

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...es-2021-08-20/

Saudis no longer sponsor Pakistan and Taliban. That was over 5 years ago. The Raymond Davis CIA affair caused a breakup of the relationship between West and Pakistan. It's mostly the US and India providing support for groups like ISIS-K, TTP, etc. with the help of the previous Afghan president Ghani who fled to UAE (another big sponsor of terrorism).
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Old 08-22-2021, 07:49 PM
 
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Do you think European Russians would consider a transformation from 90% European Russian to 50% European Russian (and 40% Haitian, Guetmalen, Syrian, Salvadoran, Honduran, Nigerian, Laosian, Vietnamese, Hmong, Filopino) in 80 years to be a good thing?

No.
I don't think Russians would consider it to be a good thing.
That's why they were not going overseas to get the foreign colonies in the first place.

Russians were only taking the near-by people, the ethnicities that lived on the perimeter of their "core native land" (while Russia was expanding in size,) the people whose cultures they could absorb more or less and assimilate.

For the most part it was doable, with the exception of the Northern Caucasus, where Russians had literally to unleash the genocide, in order to subdue these people.

So they DO have the experience already of dealing with the difficulties in this respect, with incompatible culture, and I don't think they'd be interested in having any more of it.

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Old 08-22-2021, 07:56 PM
 
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Gulf Arab states take wait-and-see posture on Taliban

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...es-2021-08-20/

Saudis no longer sponsor Pakistan and Taliban. That was over 5 years ago. The Raymond Davis CIA affair caused a breakup of the relationship between West and Pakistan. It's mostly the US and India providing support for groups like ISIS-K, TTP, etc. with the help of the previous Afghan president Ghani who fled to UAE (another big sponsor of terrorism).

"The world should respect the current situation in Afghanistan and not take measures to restrict them (Taliban)," he tweeted on Wednesday. "The international community should give them hope that it will accept them and cooperate with them in return for their commitment to international norms."


"Saudi Arabia still has a strong religious card vis-a-vis the Taliban," Karim said, suggesting that Riyadh could also open channels with the group via Pakistan.
Afghanistan has a long border with Pakistan, which long sheltered Taliban leaders and has long-standing ties with Riyadh and Abu Dhabi"


Mhm.


With other words, the "Gulf team" is poised to greet the return of the Taliban.


And that's precisely what Kremlin doesn't want to see - the government on its border whose strings will be pulled by the Sunni Islam from Mecca.
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Old 08-23-2021, 05:59 AM
 
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"The world should respect the current situation in Afghanistan and not take measures to restrict them (Taliban)," he tweeted on Wednesday. "The international community should give them hope that it will accept them and cooperate with them in return for their commitment to international norms."


"Saudi Arabia still has a strong religious card vis-a-vis the Taliban," Karim said, suggesting that Riyadh could also open channels with the group via Pakistan.
Afghanistan has a long border with Pakistan, which long sheltered Taliban leaders and has long-standing ties with Riyadh and Abu Dhabi"


Mhm.


With other words, the "Gulf team" is poised to greet the return of the Taliban.


And that's precisely what Kremlin doesn't want to see - the government on its border whose strings will be pulled by the Sunni Islam from Mecca.
No. They are taking a wait-and-see like all the other governments. You have to remember the piece is written in sympathy with the Saudis and other Gulf states that are the leading sponsors of terrorism throughout the world from Africa to the Near East to Southeast Asia. All the sponsors of terrorism, including the former president of Afghanistan Ghani, the US, NATO governments, Saudis, etc., have all closed their embassies and fled.

The following passage in that piece as well as others are laughably incorrect.

"Foreign diplomats and analysts said while Taliban ideology clashed with the Saudi-UAE campaign against militancy and with Riyadh's recent relaxation of Islamic strictures, Riyadh and Abu Dhabi would adapt to realities after the Taliban's shockingly swift reconquest of Afghanistan as U.S.-led forces withdrew."

Taliban is tasked by Russia, China, and India with cleaning up the mess created by the West and the Gulf states.

Pakistan's ties with Saudi Arabia hit rock bottom

https://www.rferl.org/a/pakistan-bro.../30781532.html

You haven't been following the historical news in this area so you're just painting everything with the old perceptions, just like equating Iran and Pakistan as if they're identical. They are no longer a US ally. They were admitted to the SCO after the falling out with the United States over the latter's attempts to use terrorist groups in Waziristan to destabilize the country. I don't want to waste my time going round and round on the same topic, which seems to be the case on his site with people dug into positions based on old perceptions.

Interesting article on some of the history.

20 years in Afghanistan from a reporter and former US government official

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Old 08-23-2021, 09:53 AM
 
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No. They are taking a wait-and-see like all the other governments. You have to remember the piece is written in sympathy with the Saudis and other Gulf states that are the leading sponsors of terrorism throughout the world from Africa to the Near East to Southeast Asia. All the sponsors of terrorism, including the former president of Afghanistan Ghani, the US, NATO governments, Saudis, etc., have all closed their embassies and fled.

Yes I follow the thought so far and I agree with that.


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The following passage in that piece as well as others are laughably incorrect.

"Foreign diplomats and analysts said while Taliban ideology clashed with the Saudi-UAE campaign against militancy and with Riyadh's recent relaxation of Islamic strictures, Riyadh and Abu Dhabi would adapt to realities after the Taliban's shockingly swift reconquest of Afghanistan as U.S.-led forces withdrew."
Of course it's correct.


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Taliban is tasked by Russia, China, and India with cleaning up the mess created by the West and the Gulf states.
Taliban is not "tasked" with anything. (At least as far as Russia is concerned.)
Taliban is a terrorist organization, and since it's unfortunate that it remains in power after all these years, the question is how much it can be controlled while in power.


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Pakistan's ties with Saudi Arabia hit rock bottom

https://www.rferl.org/a/pakistan-bro.../30781532.html
This is all about the "pecking order" in the Islamic world, not the ideological disagreements, because -


1. "As the custodian of the two holiest sites in Islam, Saudi Arabia has given legitimacy to Pakistan's political and military elite, which has promoted a conservative Islamic identity in the country."


2. "The Saudis have also been allowed to spread their extremist Wahhabi version of Islam in Pakistan through a vast network of mosques and seminaries."

So the issue of their latest disagreements is pretty simple.

Ryadh is watching out for its financial interests and is weary of its rivals in the area in order to hold the #1 position in Islamic world, while Pakistan wants to remain the "favorite wife" of Saudi Arabia, so that it would back up their national interests above all, and thus throwing the hissy fits when it's not happening.

"The Saudis look at Pakistan as an ungrateful recipient of their assistance, including direct budget support, oil supplied on a deferred-payment basis, and several hundred thousand jobs for unskilled workers," Haqqani says. "But for the Saudis, India is a major trading partner and they are refusing to play Islamabad's zero-sum game on India."

But as far as "ideology" goes - no disagreements there.
And that's the main factor for now, ( as far as the situation in Afghanistan is involved.)


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You haven't been following the historical news in this area so you're just painting everything with the old perceptions, just like equating Iran and Pakistan as if they're identical.
Have no clue where you've got this idea.


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They are no longer a US ally. They were admitted to the SCO after the falling out with the United States over the latter's attempts to use terrorist groups in Waziristan to destabilize the country. I don't want to waste my time going round and round on the same topic, which seems to be the case on his site with people dug into positions based on old perceptions.
This is not important either.
All these US alliances with different Islamic countries and the desire to pull their strings behind the scene will bring nothing but trouble to US in the end.


P.S. What I keep on forgetting to ask you - you seem to be bringing India in the picture as one of those countries supporting the radical Islam here and there. ( If I understand you correctly.)
Now why would be India interested in that?

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Old 08-23-2021, 10:41 AM
 
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Is Russia safe to travel for Americans ?
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Old 08-23-2021, 10:55 AM
 
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Is Russia safe to travel for Americans ?

Yes.
( No matter what official US propaganda is saying.)
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