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Old 08-25-2018, 09:17 PM
 
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It's the same thing I fear and see in Seattle. Buildings built just 10 years ago are starting to look shabby, many streets have significant issues with hte sidewalks and pavements. International District Station just looks slummy and it's been here about 15 years. There is little maintenance done around Seattle. If you look at Tacoma it has a different more homey vibe, the city is not as modern as Seattle, not everything is new and many areas are exceptionally pretty.

I've seen the same thing all over the world, China especially. All these modern buildings seem to age quicker and may look good at first but as time passes............

Scrat...
Seattle is my favorite city in US, and from what I see in recent different videos, it didn't change much ( minus insane amount of the homeless of course and insane prices. Seattle that I used to love, was the most livable city in the country back then.)
I don't mind American architecture in Seattle; it's AMERICA after all, so I expect to see everything "new and shiny," boxes with glass and plastic, particularly when it comes to the West Coast. ( Beats the slime and grime of New-York if you ask me.)
It's the city of Belgorod ( or any other Russian city) where I don't appreciate Americanization.
However when I looked closer, beyond Turist's pics, Belgorod's architecture is not all THAT americanized; Belgorod still reminds me of any other Soviet city.
And strangely enough I still don't like it, comparably, say, to Smolensk.
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Old 08-26-2018, 01:32 AM
 
Location: Russia
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A few photos of the streets. Just different streets, different angles of photography.

















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Old 08-26-2018, 08:58 AM
 
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Erasure.

This practice of tearing down the old and putting up new is happening all over the word. I can see Serpentzas point and yours too. I remember Ismailova market in eastern Moscow. The food at all the little kiosks was endless in variety and some of the best I ever had. Wandering the aisles of the huge place was a very enjoyable way to waste an afternoon. It's gone now. There's probably only a few supermarkets in the area along with some specialty shops owned by corporations. I remember the little building at Belgorods central market that made meat pastries and people were lined up 8 deep to get them. Is that market even there?


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VV4jPPEUcMo

I really think certain cities do things different ways. I discovered to pizza shop in Smolensk that is on the SE section of the old wall next to a home appliance store is still there. The street is fixed, totally reworked and the builldings are spruced up but everything else is the same.
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Old 08-26-2018, 12:15 PM
 
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Erasure.

This practice of tearing down the old and putting up new is happening all over the word. I can see Serpentzas point and yours too. I remember Ismailova market in eastern Moscow. The food at all the little kiosks was endless in variety and some of the best I ever had. Wandering the aisles of the huge place was a very enjoyable way to waste an afternoon. It's gone now. There's probably only a few supermarkets in the area along with some specialty shops owned by corporations. I remember the little building at Belgorods central market that made meat pastries and people were lined up 8 deep to get them. Is that market even there?


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VV4jPPEUcMo

I really think certain cities do things different ways. I discovered to pizza shop in Smolensk that is on the SE section of the old wall next to a home appliance store is still there. The street is fixed, totally reworked and the builldings are spruced up but everything else is the same.
The market stands in its place. And meat, very tasty pastries there, but now not in the building, and they have a small stand on the street and a kitchen in the basement.
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Old 08-26-2018, 12:30 PM
 
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The market stands in its place. And meat, very tasty pastries there, but now not in the building, and they have a small stand on the street and a kitchen in the basement.
Tell them they should by proud of their pastries. If I ever get witihin 1000kms of the place again I'll be sure to drop in. If you find the time. I'm not surprised they're still around.

As an example of Soviet styles Valeria has a new video from Baikonur. This is the 1990s I saw around the places I went in the 1990s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpsDK0i-mf8
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Old 08-26-2018, 12:47 PM
 
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And here is one of the new residential areas.This is not some super elite,closed area at super prices. All more less usually, only on new standards.



[IMG]https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/files.surfory.com/uploads/2018/8/26/578dfd9fbd04702a248b46fb/1280x/5b82f03bbd0470ed7e8b4b06.jpg[/IMG

She has her own school, kindergarten, clinic.Proper planning, in construction, not in the wild construction of the 90s and a little later.


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The neighborhood is called "Snail" , in fact here ))



New home. Here is such the entire cubic ))


This one's all yellow. )

















Here is a wonderful area, recently completed, is now being built another one of the same, only in a different style

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Old 08-26-2018, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Tell them they should by proud of their pastries. If I ever get witihin 1000kms of the place again I'll be sure to drop in. If you find the time. I'm not surprised they're still around.

As an example of Soviet styles Valeria has a new video from Baikonur. This is the 1990s I saw around the places I went in the 1990s.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpsDK0i-mf8
Now in Belgorod a lot of delicious pastries. First, each supermarket has its own mini-bakery with a tandoor. This tasty samosas, pies and pita)) opened a lot of delicious beer stores, craft beer. I exactly, bottle or a jar more and not drink)) appeared many tasty meat, pork and no, beef, too, there is, but until a little expensive I believe.In General, Belgorod has become tastier than a couple of years ago.



This is me with a bike tour, on the way home,popped in,took a couple of liters) Hot, thirsty ))
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Old 08-26-2018, 11:59 PM
 
Location: Russia
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On holidays in Belgorod, often come, different aerobatic groups. And also, I present to you a few photos of Belgorod and the surrounding area from the air.































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Old 08-27-2018, 12:41 AM
 
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Erasure.

This practice of tearing down the old and putting up new is happening all over the word. I can see Serpentzas point and yours too. I remember Ismailova market in eastern Moscow. The food at all the little kiosks was endless in variety and some of the best I ever had. Wandering the aisles of the huge place was a very enjoyable way to waste an afternoon. It's gone now. There's probably only a few supermarkets in the area along with some specialty shops owned by corporations. I remember the little building at Belgorods central market that made meat pastries and people were lined up 8 deep to get them. Is that market even there?


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VV4jPPEUcMo

I really think certain cities do things different ways. I discovered to pizza shop in Smolensk that is on the SE section of the old wall next to a home appliance store is still there. The street is fixed, totally reworked and the builldings are spruced up but everything else is the same.
I don't know what to tell you about this specific video.
On one hand I understand his fascination with "authentic Chinese" parts of the city, on another hand those places look plain awful to me. Yet on another hand, when they replace them with those faceless skyscrapers, that doesn't make situation much better if you ask me. ( I mean for me China is the place to avoid on my list.) I saw some of his other videos, and it only confirmed my opinion.)
But back to Russian cities.
I watched couple of videos, to get a better idea of Belgorod, and as I've said - from what I saw there, Belgorod actually looks much more as your normal (somewhat renovated) *Soviet* city than it comes across in Turist's pictures.
This is the video number one, made by some random Russian guy, who ( judging by what he says) travels through different Russian cities and posts what he sees/thinks about them.
He actually likes Belgorod, but I don't. As I've said, there is something amiss there, the OLDER part of town ( or part of history,) which you definitely see in Smolensk ( they are approximately of the same size, judging by population - 300 thousand +)

So this is Belgorod


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Oy8o_1_xU&t=693s

And this is Smolensk shown by the same "travelling guy," who made it there literally yesterday.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc7-Wx6v2zU

I see a lot of newer architecture here mixed with the old one ( which I don't spot in Belgorod.)
So my question is - they are both on the western border, so they were both damaged by the war.
How much of original architecture was damaged by the war in Belgorod ( comparably to Smolensk,) how much by Soviet administration, and how much by the "new Russians?" ( I know more or less what the story is in Moscow in this respect.)

And the last ( and probably the most curious video) here is made by this young couple, that ( by the sound of it) are Belgorod's natives, but they came back there after staying abroad ( namely - Dubai.) And they are shocked by the prices in Belgorod, saying that they are not much lower/or even the same as in Dubai, ( which is one of the most expensive cities in the world.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMUNZyL17Z4
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Old 08-27-2018, 08:59 AM
 
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Population
Year: Smolensk | Belgorod (% Smolensk of Belgorod)
1856: 9,200 | 12,800 (71.9%)
1913: 73,100 | 28,400 (257.4%)
1926: 79,000 | 31,000 (254.8%)
1939: 156,884 | 34,359 (456.6%)
1959: 147,196 | 72,278 (203.7%)
1970: 210,779 | 151,336 (139.3%)
1982: 316,000 | 262,000 (120.6%)
1990: 343,000 | 304,000 (112.8%)
2000: 353,400 | 342,000 (103.3%)
2010: 326,861 | 356,402 (91.7%)
2018: 330,025 | 391,554 (84.3%)

Smolensk was a much larger city during the crucial years of city building (late imperial age and Stalinist times), and Smolensk is a walled city which further shows it's historic importance in comparison to Belgorod, unless they too had a wall?

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.7916...thumbfov%3D100

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.7861...thumbfov%3D100

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.7805...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.7789...thumbfov%3D100

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.7795...7i13312!8i6656

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