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Old 07-17-2021, 04:28 AM
 
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As always no figures are given about the death/missing animals by the so called "progressive" and "liberal" western europe. I mean when I said the west is sinking, I didn't mean it literally...
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Old 07-17-2021, 05:38 AM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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El, the point being is not whether the tornadoes are a "threat in Russia," but I've never seen "tornado" in Moscow, never heard of it all my life that I lived there.
I always thought that it's something that exists only in US or some other *exotic places.*
Now I am looking at some latest videos from Moscow, and oh my...
Never seen anything like that - only strong thunderstorms, that's all.

So let's ask Northern Europeans here, Germans in particular ( looking at the images above. )
I assume you've had floods before.
But could you imagine ( have you ever heard) of anything like this in those areas?

The video doesn't show tornado in the Moscow City, just nearby.
The tornados listed by Wikipedia (see my post) were near Moscow too.
With climate change you will see more weather anomalies that didn't happened before.

Also tornadoes happen in other parts of the world, not only in America. They are called cyclones.
In fact, tornadoes have been recorded on all continents except Antarctica.

Areas worldwide with the highest frequency of tornadoes are indicated by orange shading.
Source: Wikimedia.org

Weird clouds observed in Poland:
https://notesfrompoland.com/2021/06/...r-hits-poland/

Last edited by elnina; 07-17-2021 at 05:48 AM..
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Old 07-17-2021, 08:34 AM
 
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Areas worldwide with the highest frequency of tornadoes are indicated by orange shading.
Source: Wikimedia.org
That map is baffling to me because I live in an orange-shaded "most frequent tornado" area of California and I have literally never heard of a tornado near me in my entire life, 50+ years. My relatives in Germany also reported that they do not have tornados, but most of Europe is shaded.

I'm not blaming you for the map, just can't figure out how it was put together.
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Old 07-17-2021, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Northern Virginia
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Judging by the picture of devastation, the "forecasters" were not projecting this turn of events at all.

I don't know how those things are in relationship to each other. The forecasters predicted extreme rains and a high risk of dangerous flooding. Obviously there's nothing forecasters can do to prevent those events from causing damage? The only thing that can be done is warn human beings to get themselves to safety. It looks like this was not done everywhere in a timely manner.
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Old 07-17-2021, 11:32 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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I don't know how those things are in relationship to each other. The forecasters predicted extreme rains and a high risk of dangerous flooding. Obviously there's nothing forecasters can do to prevent those events from causing damage? The only thing that can be done is warn human beings to get themselves to safety. It looks like this was not done everywhere in a timely manner.
This happened in the days leading up to Hurricane Katrina hitting New Orleans. The mayor refused to issue evacuation orders. Amtrak informed the Mayor's office, that they had an empty passenger train leaving a couple of days in advance of the hurricane, and offered to take evacuees, but the Mayor turned the offer down.

Forecasters can warn, but the humans in charge of organizing evacuation efforts may be indecisive, or incompetent, or for whatever reasons, unwilling to take the steps necessary to prevent tragedies.
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Old 07-17-2021, 12:41 PM
 
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This happened in the days leading up to Hurricane Katrina hitting New Orleans. The mayor refused to issue evacuation orders. Amtrak informed the Mayor's office, that they had an empty passenger train leaving a couple of days in advance of the hurricane, and offered to take evacuees, but the Mayor turned the offer down.

Oh? I didn't know that.
However taking in consideration the region with its history of flooding/proximity to the ocean, the potential danger of a major disaster was BIG.


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Forecasters can warn, but the humans in charge of organizing evacuation efforts may be indecisive, or incompetent, or for whatever reasons, unwilling to take the steps necessary to prevent tragedies.
But in this case ( yet again), given the area and history of the destruction brought by flooding...
I can see why in THIS case no one would worry too much even when warned.
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Old 07-17-2021, 01:30 PM
 
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Yep, as I thought - they did have history of flooding in those areas in Germany, but NOTHING like what happened now.

So can't blame them for the delayed reaction and not "running for higher grounds" as soon as they saw the excessive rain/water rising in their local river(s).



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGPzF-HhOkw
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Old 07-17-2021, 03:43 PM
 
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The video doesn't show tornado in the Moscow City, just nearby.
The tornados listed by Wikipedia (see my post) were near Moscow too.
With climate change you will see more weather anomalies that didn't happened before.

Also tornadoes happen in other parts of the world, not only in America. They are called cyclones.
In fact, tornadoes have been recorded on all continents except Antarctica.

Areas worldwide with the highest frequency of tornadoes are indicated by orange shading.
Source: Wikimedia.org

Weird clouds observed in Poland:
https://notesfrompoland.com/2021/06/...r-hits-poland/

Could be so El., - not Moscow but "Moscow region."
However this is Moscow ( with different variations of the words, describing whatever you see here.)
And my eyes are still bugging out.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc5hD262XkY



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE_OgLYZcNg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC6dMB1VAc8


...And I thought that pelicans landing in Siberia ( confusing it for Africa) was odd.


I didn't pay attention at what's going on in MOSCOW out of all places.
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Old 07-18-2021, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Northern Virginia
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More and more information coming to light that authorities in Germany were warned and did not take the warnings seriously.
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Old 07-19-2021, 03:25 AM
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Location: Europe
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Dutch cow floats 100 km Maas River gets saved by dutch.
Video is 1.08 minute in dutch , but the comments can translate to english.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BA5p210KXo&t=9s

DM article https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-hits-180.html

Firefighter saved by people from the floods.
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comm..._other_people/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ApLZ1HNY3o&t=381s

Live from WELT in german, big bit of text translate for english.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9MvlrG78Kg

Austria also floods

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChdCdrHGPo8



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9RAh6urs9o in english

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comm...ed_possession/
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