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Old 10-10-2021, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Wylie, Texas
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Fine, I'll bite. Violating airspace, poisoning opponents on foreign soil, blowing up an ammunition warehouse on foreign soil, propping up far left and right parties and groups all over Europe, jailing and killing opposition party members, invading neighboring countries. The list goes on and on. I know you personally don't care and have a perfectly choreographed mental gymnastics exercise prepared to dismiss everything.
You do know that America has done all these things above that you point out with Russia right?
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Old 10-10-2021, 11:59 AM
 
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Fine, I'll bite. Violating airspace, poisoning opponents on foreign soil, blowing up an ammunition warehouse on foreign soil, propping up far left and right parties and groups all over Europe, jailing and killing opposition party members, invading neighboring countries. The list goes on and on. I know you personally don't care and have a perfectly choreographed mental gymnastics exercise prepared to dismiss everything.

Lol I am not dismissing anything, I am rather enjoying the show.
That's the kind of stuff I could foresee after Clintons backed up Yeltsin and the "oligarchic democracy" over there.
So as I've said before and will repeat again - it's not "Russia-Russia-Russia" that's the source of the "world problems," but American corporate democrats and the policies they pursue around the world.
THAT's what's at the heart of today's clusterf*ck ( pardon my language) the world today is in, and sliding there more and more every day.

THAT, and not "Russia-Russia-Russia."

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Old 10-10-2021, 12:04 PM
 
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You do know that America has done all these things above that you point out with Russia right?

But that's... different.
Only America can impose economic sanctions, since it's in charge of the world banking system.

But if Russians are in charge of their gas, god forbids they'll send it by the routs of their choice.

That's already *politics,* not economy.

And Russians are not allowed to pursue the politics that suit their national interests via economic means. How dare.

Only Americans are allowed to do that.


( Clinton's "American exceptionalism" anyone?)

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Old 10-10-2021, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Plague Island
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You do know that America has done all these things above that you point out with Russia right?
Please do remind me when exactly did America do all these things to Europe.
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Old 10-10-2021, 02:59 PM
 
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Please do remind me when exactly did America do all these things to Europe.

Oh, so specific rules *do not touch* are applied to Europe only?
I was not aware of it, when you were pointing your finger at Russia, accusing it of the Abcd.
The rest then are a fair game, and can be on the receiving end of the aforementioned Abcd.
I see.


But doesn't it sound a bit..uh... how should I put it...
Racist?

( More pop-corn please.)

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Old 10-10-2021, 03:53 PM
 
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It should be very obvious to us all what is going on. We've seen it all before, unless you are blind to all but your desired idiotology.

Don't fall for it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF4cm2ojhxk

The western MIC interests need a reason to make money, they do this using the mechanism of destruction capitalism. It's simple.

If this becomes a shooting war the west is not going to win. Taiwan is too close to China tactically, anything the US can do will be largely ineffective. It will be like the Battle Of Britain all over again.

What the west needs to do is gather its wits, and let China handle this. It's no ones business but Chinas and the countries in the area.
It is not Taiwan China is claiming but there a few places that is a part of Japan that China is claiming. Do you think Japan will just sit there and let that happen? BTW if the US leaves that region, then nothing will stop Japan getting Nuclear weapons too. China is claiming territory that the PHillipines, Malaysia and Vietnam are also claiming has caused tension too.
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Old 10-10-2021, 06:22 PM
 
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It is not Taiwan China is claiming but there a few places that is a part of Japan that China is claiming. Do you think Japan will just sit there and let that happen? BTW if the US leaves that region, then nothing will stop Japan getting Nuclear weapons too. China is claiming territory that the PHillipines, Malaysia and Vietnam are also claiming has caused tension too.
Most of this is correct. What you don't mention is US interference in the region going back more than a century. You want to go back and take a look at what colonial powers have done there in the past?

I'll hold your hand if it's scary.

Get out. These countries will solve their own issues.
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Old 10-10-2021, 06:23 PM
 
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Fine, I'll bite. Violating airspace, poisoning opponents on foreign soil, blowing up an ammunition warehouse on foreign soil, propping up far left and right parties and groups all over Europe, jailing and killing opposition party members, invading neighboring countries. The list goes on and on. I know you personally don't care and have a perfectly choreographed mental gymnastics exercise prepared to dismiss everything.
Seems to me you eat everything you're fed without question. That's dangerous.
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Old 10-10-2021, 08:07 PM
 
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Most of this is correct. What you don't mention is US interference in the region going back more than a century. You want to go back and take a look at what colonial powers have done there in the past?

I'll hold your hand if it's scary.

Get out. These countries will solve their own issues.
Yes the US had interfered in the region for many many years. It legacy is still there. One can't undo the past. I just saying the consequences if the US leave.

BTW the Japanese have no problem with over 50 000 US troops there. Especially with China territory ambitions in parts of Japan where Japan invaded which was formely part of China. North Korea has been firing Missiles in Japanese waters. If Japan did not have those threats then they want the Americans to leave.

BTW Taiwan and China are two different peoples and different identities. BTW just because they speak the same language and have common historial links does not mean they have to be part of the same country. With that logic, the USA and Canada should be one country because they speak the same language and have a very similar culture. Taiwan was never part of China for over 100 years. The Taiwanese will never allow China to walk in and take over their country without a fight.

Yet there are other islands in the South China sea which were never officially part of China.

Actually Guam is part of the USA and still part of the Asian region and it is much closer to China than the mainland of the USA. Even if you wish the US withdraw from the region, they in practise unable to fully so with Guam.

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Old 10-10-2021, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Violating airspace, poisoning opponents on foreign soil, blowing up an ammunition warehouse on foreign soil, propping up far left and right parties and groups all over Europe, jailing and killing opposition party members, invading neighboring countries. The list goes on and on.
It feels like you're talking about the US.
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