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Old 01-28-2019, 10:48 AM
 
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I think it's cheating, but there are no free lunches, so...
do you think a diabetic cheats when taking insulin, too? because someone who is prescribed testosterone supplement is someone who has a medical deficiency (hypogonadism) and the medication replaces what's lost....would you rather have a person live with the low/zero T-level and just vegetate and do nothing for their health condition?
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Old 01-28-2019, 12:08 PM
 
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do you think a diabetic cheats when taking insulin, too? because someone who is prescribed testosterone supplement is someone who has a medical deficiency (hypogonadism) and the medication replaces what's lost....would you rather have a person live with the low/zero T-level and just vegetate and do nothing for their health condition?
I think most people develop diabetes from lack of discipline, education, or unfit parenting in the worst case. I don't think pills are the solution to the problem. As they say, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

It also sends a bad message to our youth.

I didn't mean to offend anyone with my statement, but it does seem like most people use test for the purpose of vanity or to obtain an unfair competitive advantage, rather than having a life threatening medical condition.
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Old 01-28-2019, 12:32 PM
 
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I think most people develop diabetes from lack of discipline, education, or unfit parenting in the worst case. I don't think pills are the solution to the problem. As they say, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

It also sends a bad message to our youth.

I didn't mean to offend anyone with my statement, but it does seem like most people use test for the purpose of vanity or to obtain an unfair competitive advantage, rather than having a life threatening medical condition.
There are a lot of endocrine diseases where the gland stops producing the hormone and nothing the person does can prevent this. Medicine is provided to replace what is lost. Testosterone replacement is no different.
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Old 01-28-2019, 12:50 PM
 
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There are a lot of endocrine diseases where the gland stops producing the hormone and nothing the person does can prevent this. Medicine is provided to replace what is lost. Testosterone replacement is no different.
I do the eye test. If my doctor looks like ****, I don't listen to him/her.
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Old 01-28-2019, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
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regarding that heart attack risk, I wonder if that's related to a bunch of middaged, out of shape men all of a sudden having a boost of energy and trying to do too much and with pre-existing cardiac disesase/plaques rupture the plaques and cause their heart attack/demise......if you start the drug while being in relatively good fitness levels, I bet the risk isn't there
Good point. I think you're right. Besides, I regularly see my doctor at the first sign of anything wrong, plus annual physicals. I monitor my health closely. Also, I'm not trying to lift like I did in my 20's. I just want to be and look in shape. I have back issues, so I have to be careful to not overdo the weight and make sure my form is perfect.

I also ordered Sermorelin, which is sort of a natural growth hormone. Well, its not a hormone, but it facilitates the pituitary gland to produce more growth hormone. There's no known risks that I've been able to find. You can find YouTube videos on it. Good stuff. I took it last year and got in great shape. Then I went off it for 6 months and lost some muscle. Now I'm getting back on it.
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Old 01-28-2019, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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I don't think pills are the solution to the problem.
Then, pray tell, what is the solution?

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As they say, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. It also sends a bad message to our youth.
And what your sanctimonius little cliche ignores is that it does nothing to help the people who are already suffering from the disease, but **** those people, right?

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I didn't mean to offend anyone with my statement, but it does seem like most people use test for the purpose of vanity
So what?

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or to obtain an unfair competitive advantage
Against who?

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rather than having a life threatening medical condition.
So again, the only medical conditions worth treating are those that are life threatening?
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Old 01-28-2019, 01:36 PM
 
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Then, pray tell, what is the solution?

And what your sanctimonius little cliche ignores is that it does nothing to help the people who are already suffering from the disease, but **** those people, right?

So what?

Against who?

So again, the only medical conditions worth treating are those that are life threatening?
Do you know that information is often the most valuable commodity?

In the US, profit is more important than truth. That's why so many people are misinformed.

It's simple really. Has someone ever gave you a "hot stock" tip that actually worked?

Probably not, right? Because that's not how you make money. You make money by keeping people stupid.

That's the game. Learn the game and you'll be able to answer all those questions you just asked me.
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Old 01-29-2019, 06:16 AM
 
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Sorry for delayed reply.

"Monster Test" pills... also followed with "Iron Brothers."

Here are they:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0723C12JT/

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07FVJZ732

This thread is specifically about the Testosterone, but I also got some Omega 3/Amino Acids pill supplement as well.

The OP is talking about some testosterone boosting supplements (herbs, vitamins whatever) that he found on amazon that he assumes is a real testosterone and this has morphed into a conversation about medical testosterone. The topic was about the "Monster Test" pills that gave him major results in 2 days. This would be like a discussion on Tribulus or Boron or some similar supplement.
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Old 01-29-2019, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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Do you know that information is often the most valuable commodity?

In the US, profit is more important than truth. That's why so many people are misinformed.

It's simple really. Has someone ever gave you a "hot stock" tip that actually worked?

Probably not, right? Because that's not how you make money. You make money by keeping people stupid.

That's the game. Learn the game and you'll be able to answer all those questions you just asked me.
So you have nothing?

I thought so.
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Old 01-29-2019, 08:53 AM
 
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So you have nothing?

I thought so.
"Everything happens for a reason."
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