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Old 09-05-2019, 07:45 AM
 
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I won't blame his death on steroids but for a person whose life was the very definition of exercise and healthful eating, his death from an ordinary heart attack at the unremarkable age of 78 takes all the air out exercise gurus, low fatters, low carbers, aerobics fanatics, H.I.I.T. proponents, and all the rest. Sure. I'm pro exercise and eat right but the way they're usually put forth by their loudest proponents as a kind of cure-all .. well, I've always known it was boggasiusness
I haven't read that a heart attack was the actual cause of death.....it was deemed a drowning. But he *could* have suffered a heart attack while swimming, sure. Regardless, swimming in the ocean at age 78 is pretty healthy if you ask me.
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Old 09-05-2019, 12:23 PM
 
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I won't blame his death on steroids but for a person whose life was the very definition of exercise and healthful eating, his death from an ordinary heart attack at the unremarkable age of 78 takes all the air out exercise gurus, low fatters, low carbers, aerobics fanatics, H.I.I.T. proponents, and all the rest. Sure. I'm pro exercise and eat right but the way they're usually put forth by their loudest proponents as a kind of cure-all .. well, I've always known it was boggasiusness

Quality of life, not length of life. Not one of us has any control over how long we will be alive. Not in the least, but today, we can make choices to help us have a great quality of life for this day.
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Old 09-05-2019, 01:17 PM
 
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Strong for a 5’ 5 shorty.
He was more like 5'3" or possibly 5'4" on his tallest day. But regardless, what does height have to do with physical strength? Shorter guys like that don't have the long limbs and long levers that would hinder them in some activities, but in terms of pure lifting power and muscle strength, I don't think height really matters all that much.
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Old 09-05-2019, 01:22 PM
 
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I won't blame his death on steroids but for a person whose life was the very definition of exercise and healthful eating, his death from an ordinary heart attack at the unremarkable age of 78 takes all the air out exercise gurus, low fatters, low carbers, aerobics fanatics, H.I.I.T. proponents, and all the rest. Sure. I'm pro exercise and eat right but the way they're usually put forth by their loudest proponents as a kind of cure-all .. well, I've always known it was boggasiusness
Was it a heart attack? The first report said that he drowned and/or that he had an "accident" while swimming. Then, some reports said that he died in the water while other reports said that he died at the hospital.

Regardless, it's sad for anyone to die. Perhaps Franco had some health issues to which nobody was privy. And do we know for a fact that he followed a strict eating and workout regimen into older age? He did smoke cigars now and then.
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Old 09-05-2019, 01:23 PM
 
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Quality of life, not length of life. Not one of us has any control over how long we will be alive. Not in the least, but today, we can make choices to help us have a great quality of life for this day.
We can choose not to jump off a bridge or dart in front of an oncoming car, so in that sense, we do have some control over how long we may live. But I do get your overall message.
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Old 09-05-2019, 02:49 PM
 
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He was more like 5'3" or possibly 5'4" on his tallest day. But regardless, what does height have to do with physical strength? Shorter guys like that don't have the long limbs and long levers that would hinder them in some activities, but in terms of pure lifting power and muscle strength, I don't think height really matters all that much.
Height matters in that the person generally weighs more/can put on more weight (i.e. muscle), that is why there are weight classes, and if you look at everyone, the classes generally trend by height as well though not defined by it nor factored into it. But the taller a person is, the more potential they will have over someone shorter. But reality is for 99% of people, it will make no difference, only at elite levels will this be a factor.
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Old 09-05-2019, 03:21 PM
 
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Smaller guys do tend to have a greater strength to weight ratio. So a guy like Franco would likely do more pullups, etc, than a bigger guy in similar shape like Arnold. Having shorter arms and legs would actually give him better leverage, depending on muscle attachment points, as well.


Sad to see him go, one of my heroes from my youth. While 78 is not a particularly long life, I think he packed plenty of life into every year.



There are so few really elite bodybuilders, I'm not sure any statistically defensible conclusions can be drawn from their lifespans, in terms of if this lifestyle adds years to life.
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Old 09-05-2019, 09:03 PM
 
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Height matters in that the person generally weighs more/can put on more weight (i.e. muscle), that is why there are weight classes, and if you look at everyone, the classes generally trend by height as well though not defined by it nor factored into it. But the taller a person is, the more potential they will have over someone shorter. But reality is for 99% of people, it will make no difference, only at elite levels will this be a factor.
Franco was stronger than Arnold and many of the other big guys though. Those bigger guys weighed more and were much taller, yet Franco was at/or near the top in terms of pure strength. A bigger, heavier body is not necessarily stronger than a smaller, lighter body. Talking just pure muscle strength here. And frame size varies greatly, independently of height. A short guy can have a large frame, and a tall guy can have a small frame. A larger frame affords more muscle-building potential.
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Old 09-05-2019, 11:44 PM
 
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Stallone hired Franco to train him for Rocky II. There is hilarious footage of them dancing on YouTube.

Stallone didn't like the training and ended up in some kind of bench contest, and tore a pec.
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Old 09-06-2019, 10:52 AM
 
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Height matters in that the person generally weighs more/can put on more weight (i.e. muscle), that is why there are weight classes, and if you look at everyone, the classes generally trend by height as well though not defined by it nor factored into it. But the taller a person is, the more potential they will have over someone shorter. But reality is for 99% of people, it will make no difference, only at elite levels will this be a factor.

I think that shorter people have an advantage in that the range of motion on lifts like the squat and bench press is shortened. They also tend to have greater muscle density. Someone who is 5'5" and weighs 190 lbs is going to have an advantage over someone who is 6' tall and weighs 200 lbs.
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