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Old 08-25-2012, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Boston
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I understand you are appalled however it does nothing to change the fact that a transgender person is born male/female before this SURGICAL transformation.

I possess absoluetly zero prejudice toward someone of the transgender lifestyle.

My intention is not to offend anyone, my stance will be my belief; could I be wrong sure, just as you.
I appreciate your input seriously, I learn much from the members of CD.
What I am trying to relay is the fact that a person's sex does not always match their gender. A transgendered person may have been born a man (the sex), but her gender identity (how she sees herself) is that of a woman. Pre-op or Post-op, her gender identity is still female even if she still possess her male genitalia.
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Old 08-25-2012, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Anyone who identifies as a woman.

I hate these types of questions.
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Old 08-25-2012, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Portlandish, OR
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i think anything that is based on looks shouldn't determine how "real" your gender is. everybody is different.
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Old 08-26-2012, 07:32 PM
 
Location: PA
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I'm wondering...because I hear/read that phrase a lot but it's unclear what it means. Last time I checked, any person with a vagina was a real woman. Has that changed, cuz I didn't get the memo.

Can only overweight women be "real" now? I'm a size 4, so does that not make me real? I have lady parts inside and out...and I've given birth twice. Does that count?

At what size does being a real woman start....12?....14?....20?

Are you only real if most other women look like you do?

*confused*
Ohhh, how I hate this "real woman" BS. One of my friends posted a picture on Facebook that showed Victoria's Secret models on top and an ad for Dove at the bottom. Of course, the comments that followed were a bunch of ignorant crap about how "real women" have meat on their bones and how any man who likes a thin woman is basically a pedophile. These idiots seem to forget that I'm a size 2.

Thing is, the people I know that yell the loudest about this crap sure wouldn't be complaining if they woke up tomorrow looking like those VS models, without any effort on their part.
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Old 08-26-2012, 08:23 PM
 
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In most cases I don't see the term as being insulting to anyone, the term is generally used to refer to women who are not professional models whose livelihood depends upon their height and weight, models tend to be over 5' 9" and have extremely low body fat levels. I don't think anyone is trying to imply that models are not real women, of course they are, just that they are not the norm. When someone uses the term "real women" they usually simply mean a woman who is closer to the norm, shorter than 5' 9," with a higher BMI than a fashion model, whose BMIs are often unnaturally low as a job requirement. Real woman come in all shapes and sizes, and we should expand our ideas about what makes a women attractive. I believe that's what most people who use the term "real women" are trying to impart.

Some women are angry when they use the term, I'm not going to say that's okay, but I can understand it, I know what it's like to be thin, it makes life easier, but I still feel bad sometimes because I'm not model skinny. I can't imagine how difficult it must be to be heavy in a culture that idealizes an extreme thinness that the majority of women can't achieve without starvation, and equates excess body fat not only with being unattractive, but also with laziness and a lack of self control.

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