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I notice everything around me on the street. But that doesn't mean that the street organized itself for me. The problem is thinking that how someone dresses is a message of some sort other than just that's how they want to dress. This is when boundaries come into play.
If how someone dresses arouses a person, it's up to that person to deal with it without involving anyone else. Just walking down the street is not an invitation. There's a huge difference between simply noticing and leering, commenting, and cat-calling.
There is no "universal standard" of what is "sexy clothing," either, so saying that what a woman wears automatically "invites" unwanted attention is questionable. There is no understanding of what constitutes, "safe" dress because there is no such thing.
There is certainly a "Western" standard of sexy attire.
There is certainly a "Western" standard of sexy attire.
There's really not, though! "Sexy" is very subjective.
Maybe I find gray pants attractive. That doesn't mean that I should yell inappropriate things at passersby. It's fine to notice the attractive gray pants and appreciate the gray pants. But if I start with, "Hey, Mister, your gray pants are making me horny. You must want it, you're wearing gray pants!" then I have problems with impulse control and I should see a specialist who can help me with my issues.
There's really not, though! "Sexy" is very subjective.
Maybe I find gray pants attractive. That doesn't mean that I should yell inappropriate things at passersby. It's fine to notice the attractive gray pants and appreciate the gray pants. But if I start with, "Hey, Mister, your gray pants are making me horny. You must want it, you're wearing gray pants!" then I have problems with impulse control and I should see a specialist who can help me with my issues.
Universal Western Sexy Standards
1) Showing a lot of skin ie legs, bust, etc
2) Tight revealing clothing
No, but if the person knows "grey pants" are considered sexy and will draw attention to themselves than I have no sympathy for them when that occurs.
No, but if the person knows "grey pants" are considered sexy and will draw attention to themselves than I have no sympathy for them when that occurs.
So, nuns who get sexually assaulted "deserve" sympathy because they're dressed "properly," but the woman in the miniskirt doesn't... because she knows that miniskirts are "sexy" and shouldn't wear them? Where does the person doing the assaulting factor into this scenario? It would seem to me that the assailant is to blame in either case, not the person being victimized.
If a man wears a "sexy muscle shirt" out in public, showing his pectorals and biceps is he also undeserving of "sympathy" if someone pushes him up against a wall and violently gropes him? Or would the person who assaulted him be the problem? Most people would find the person who did the groping to be the disturbed one. Why is it different for a woman, then? Why does a woman have to dress herself within the confines of "acceptable" in order to be shown respect? Especially when there is no one "acceptable" way of dressing? Being female doesn't mean modesty and submission. No one knows anyone else's history and why they dress the way they do. It shouldn't be a gauge as to whether they're fair game for unwanted attention. We all have the responsibility to respect the autonomy of someone else's body... male or female. We need to stop making excuses for the people who cross these boundaries. No more, "boys will be boys" mentality. It's an insult to male intelligence when people say this. As if men aren't capable of controlling themselves when they see legs, butts, or cleavage.
While I do agree that some people very definitely dress in a way that might be deemed, "inappropriate" by society's standards, it still doesn't give license to harm that person in any way. And if they are harmed, they are deserving of our sympathy. The person doing the harm is the problem.
Did you intentionally or unintentionally phrase this question in this manner? That you "don't mind" when "other women" are objectified?
I personally am not bothered by nudity, the human body or by sexuality, but it's the way society and media portrays all of these things, that disturbs me. There are little subliminal messages that are communicated in ads, posters, magazines, ads on your browser, etc, that get into your subconscious and make you believe the things you believe.
If you don't see the rampant double standards being applied, hop over to the thread with all the men freaking out about the male version of Hooters opening up in Dallas.
So, nuns who get sexually assaulted "deserve" sympathy because they're dressed "properly," but the woman in the miniskirt doesn't... because she knows that miniskirts are "sexy" and shouldn't wear them? Where does the person doing the assaulting factor into this scenario? It would seem to me that the assailant is to blame in either case, not the person being victimized.
If a man wears a "sexy muscle shirt" out in public, showing his pectorals and biceps is he also undeserving of "sympathy" if someone pushes him up against a wall and violently gropes him? Or would the person who assaulted him be the problem? Most people would find the person who did the groping to be the disturbed one. Why is it different for a woman, then? Why does a woman have to dress herself within the confines of "acceptable" in order to be shown respect? Especially when there is no one "acceptable" way of dressing? Being female doesn't mean modesty and submission. No one knows anyone else's history and why they dress the way they do. It shouldn't be a gauge as to whether they're fair game for unwanted attention. We all have the responsibility to respect the autonomy of someone else's body... male or female. We need to stop making excuses for the people who cross these boundaries. No more, "boys will be boys" mentality. It's an insult to male intelligence when people say this. As if men aren't capable of controlling themselves when they see legs, butts, or cleavage.
While I do agree that some people very definitely dress in a way that might be deemed, "inappropriate" by society's standards, it still doesn't give license to harm that person in any way. And if they are harmed, they are deserving of our sympathy. The person doing the harm is the problem.
Um no where did I condone any sexual assault.
I am talking about your common things like men staring, being approached, cat called, etc.
Did you intentionally or unintentionally phrase this question in this manner? That you "don't mind" when "other women" are objectified?
I personally am not bothered by nudity, the human body or by sexuality, but it's the way society and media portrays all of these things, that disturbs me. There are little subliminal messages that are communicated in ads, posters, magazines, ads on your browser, etc, that get into your subconscious and make you believe the things you believe.
I don't think the OP has been around and not sure where they are coming from, either.
I agree with you. In some earlier posts, I recall there were some good points made. I stated something about the "Carl's Jr." ads, which have always been too much and also, something disturbing about "Dolce and Gabbana" ads, one involving a "Faux Rape" scene.. now, is that necessary, to sell a product? Would it ever happen, depicting a similar scene with males, set in a men's prison? Women have been objectified for so long and there is so much exposure to this, it appears there is a desensitization. It becomes very tiring for women to constantly see it, yet men can appear unaffected.
Another comment I have seen here is, "If the women want to be there (in ads, etc.), why should anyone care?" Like the women involved don't mind being "objectified". Of course, they are making money and become involved for different reasons, possibly unable to do much else. Some of these women have histories of molestaion and though men wouldn't want to know this, some of those who they think are "hot" (as in "Victoria's Secret" ads) are actually Gay.
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"Sexy" is very subjective. 
