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Old 05-25-2012, 04:17 AM
 
Location: The heart of Cascadia
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So, this is just one conception of regions.

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Old 05-25-2012, 11:30 AM
 
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Some pretty good ideas going on here. I like that state lines are inconsequential... I believe that improves its geo-cultural accuracy. A few thoughts:

1. Instead of "Shallow South" the accepted term is "Mid-South". And it seems fairly accurate.
2. I would add an additional region called "Great Lakes and include western NY, northwestern PA, northern OH and IN, Chicagoland, all of MI and WI and northeastern MN.
3. I would rename "Midland" the "Lower Midwest". And it's pretty accurate, too, although I might include the southern half of Nebraska.
4. It might be worthwhile to add a region called "West" that takes CA and NV out of the "Southwest" region.
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Old 05-25-2012, 11:39 AM
 
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I think the deep south/upper south divide is becoming antiquated. It used to be a huge division but now I think the division is more east and west. Something like this




I like the idea of the South Atlantic (with the exception of WV) divided from the inner south. The coastal southern states have grown a lot more and have surpassed states like Alabama, Mississippi and Tennessee in that way. They've become more diverse and cosmopolitan thanks to the growth of cities like Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh, and even Charleston to an extent. And I would include Florida in that region north of Orlando. South Florida is so unique that it doesn't fit into any region very neatly.

These days I think Georgia has more in common with NC than Alabama, which is a new phenomenon.
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Old 05-25-2012, 12:27 PM
 
Location: ๏̯͡๏﴿ Gwinnett-That's a Civil Matter-County
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Not all of florida is on the gulf coast. so fix that and classify the remaing bits of florida down to martin county as "the south" then the remaining bit call it "floree-duhhhh".
then move midatlantic down. upstate ny is not midatlantic. Extend midland east and rename to "rust belt".
Rename "deep south" to "babble belt".

Then I think you'll have it.
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Old 05-25-2012, 03:14 PM
 
Location: surrounded by reality
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Addressing the differences betwen Portland/Seattle on one hand and Boise/Spokane on the other as well as SF/LA on one hand and the rest of the Southwest, I'd suggest a Pacific Coast region, similar to Gulf Coast, spanning the coast from Seattle to San Diego.
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Old 05-25-2012, 04:00 PM
 
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Some pretty good ideas going on here. I like that state lines are inconsequential... I believe that improves its geo-cultural accuracy. A few thoughts:

1. Instead of "Shallow South" the accepted term is "Mid-South". And it seems fairly accurate.
2. I would add an additional region called "Great Lakes and include western NY, northwestern PA, northern OH and IN, Chicagoland, all of MI and WI and northeastern MN.
3. I would rename "Midland" the "Lower Midwest". And it's pretty accurate, too, although I might include the southern half of Nebraska.
4. It might be worthwhile to add a region called "West" that takes CA and NV out of the "Southwest" region.
Why take out Nevada and not Arizona? Arizona has more in common with Nevada than it does New Mexico. I know people refuse to believe this but it's true.
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Old 05-25-2012, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Franklin, TN
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So, this is just one conception of regions.
STRONGLY disagree with including Appalachia with the Deep South. Very, very, very different.

And Upper South or Mid South are more acceptable than "Shallow South."

Shallow South makes us sound superficial.
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Old 05-25-2012, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Franklin, TN
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I think the deep south/upper south divide is becoming antiquated. It used to be a huge division but now I think the division is more east and west. Something like this




I like the idea of the South Atlantic (with the exception of WV) divided from the inner south. The coastal southern states have grown a lot more and have surpassed states like Alabama, Mississippi and Tennessee in that way. They've become more diverse and cosmopolitan thanks to the growth of cities like Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh, and even Charleston to an extent. And I would include Florida in that region north of Orlando. South Florida is so unique that it doesn't fit into any region very neatly.

These days I think Georgia has more in common with NC than Alabama, which is a new phenomenon.
I don't really buy that. I think a lot of what you are describing is the urban/rural divide...not Eastern/Western.

Growing cities are what define the "cosmopolitan" South...not necessarily what state they are in. I would venture that the major cities in those coastal states have more in common with the major cities in other Southern states than they do the smaller cities and towns within their own states.

And what makes cities like Raleigh and Charleston more "cosmopolitan" than Nashville?


For me, the divide is more about lowlands/Atlantic/Gulf coastal/Delta, midlands/hills/Piedmont, and the highlands/mountains/Appalachia.
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Old 05-26-2012, 12:02 PM
 
Location: MO
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So, this is just one conception of regions.
Perfect line in my neck of the woods. But Mid-South is more accurate here. Unlike what others have said though, the whole "Shallow South" Shouldn't be the "Mid-South". Mid-South is used to refer to Memphis and the surrounding areas, not Texas or Central KY.
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Old 05-26-2012, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Charlotte (Hometown: Columbia SC)
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the upper part of florida should be classified as deep south
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