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No, its not my definition. I do agree with you that most Angelenos think it that way, but the US Census Bureau does not consider Riverside-Bernardino-Ventura as part of the LA metro (MSA).
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Originally Posted by Caliguy2007
Ummm that's your definition at your end,but most Californians consider the 5 County Region of L.A-Riverside-San Bernardino-Orange-Ventura as part of L.A Metro.
The U.S Census is not all accurate from what i've seen...Trust the Stats of those that live in CA,not the one's who are 3,000 miles away
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Originally Posted by downtown1
No, its not my definition. I do agree with you that most Angelenos think it that way, but the US Census Bureau does not consider Riverside-Bernardino-Ventura as part of the LA metro (MSA).
Sorry to tell you, but Aurora Colorado housing market (sucks) has been flat as a pancake!! and a lot of foreclosures, making it one of the cheapest places to buy a property in Denver.
Trust me I own 2 residential properties in Aurora.
Some times when we look at statistical facts even if they come from good sources don't necessarily take them as a real fact!
It's just very odd why other Cities/States get added onto NYC's Metro,while L.A's Metro gets cut in half,as what i've seen in quite a few lists online.
From my perspective it seems like people who create those Bogus Lists are L.A Bashers and will do what they can to drop L.A's Rankings when it's something Positive,but would include the entire 5 County Metro Region of L.A-San Bernardino-Riverside-Orange-Ventura when it's something Negative.
Again, city and state boundaries are totally irrelevant when dealing with metro areas. The 5 county region you keep speaking of is the 'Combined Statistical Metro Area' (CMSA) or The Greater LA area.
-LA's metro area does not get 'cut in half', it's Primary Statistical Metro Area (PMSA) simply does not include the San-Bernardino-Riverside-Orange-
Ventura area. The same way NYC's PMSA does not include Connecticut.
HOWEVER, the CMSA of LA does include the San-Bernardino.-....-Ventura areas. The PMSA of NYC is approx. 18 million, while the CMSA is closer to 21 million. NYC's CMSA does include Connecticut
Definitions/classifications of metros as provided by the US Census:
NYC has been going further than Jersey to include other Cities/States as part of it's Metro Area....Next in line is Bridgeport-New Haven,CT,which is about 50-70 miles away from NYC.
When NOT talking about the PMSA of NYC then yes, CT does in fact get included. The same way that San Bernardino-----Ventura area gets included in LA's metro area.
The US Census is not controlled by the city of New York. Although the numbers provided are not to be taken as exacts, they are the primary means of US population measurement
Its not that sinister,
The Office of Management & Budget(OMB) is part of the exective branch of the federal government and is in charge, among other things, with determining the boundaries of all metropolitan areas. Since the office is under the executive branch, its director is appointed by the president.
In 2001,
The terminology was changed
1. PMSA(Primary Metropolitan Statistical Area) became MSA(Metropolitan Statistical Area)
2. CMSA(Consolidated Metropolitan Statistical Area) became CSA(Combined Statistical Area)
In the case of Los Angeles and The Inland Empire, in order for any 2(or more) counties to combine and become a single MSA, they would have to meet at least one or a combination of or all of the following criteria:
1. 25% of all workers in LA-Orange Counties must work in Riverside-San Bernardino Counties-OR 25% of all workers in Riverside-San Bernardino Counties must work in LA-Orange Counties. This is how all those NY Metro Counties are included with the City because everyone back there works in Manhattan or in one of the outer boroughs.
2. A uninterrupted overlap of development must exist for the length of at least 3 continuous miles between the two regions. San Francisco-Oakland and San Jose, despite uninterrupted housing development between them and having constant density, fall short because at the San Mateo and Santa Clara county lines, there’s an office park part of Stanford(on the SF side mind you, while Stanford itself is across the street in San Jose for heavenssake) that takes up about .3 miles and so doesn’t count. That’s ridiculous.
3. There has to be overwhelming consensus between the leadership and people in both regions that they are more accurately identified as one region. Im not sure if people in the Inland Empire align themselves with Los Angeles the way Angelenos think they are.
LA-OC & The Inland Empire, however meet the criteria, along with Oxnard-Ventura, to be consolidated into a Combined Statistical Area(CSA), formerly known as the Consolidated Metropolitan Statistical Area(CMSA), which is basically requires the same as the above, except
1. Instead of a 25% threshold for commuting, its lowered to 15%. And that qualifies LA to be combined with the IE and Oxnard-Ventura.
There are many interesting emerging trends in California 2 principal metro areas as far as possible Metropolitan Area combinations:
1. Los Angeles-I think the foreseeable future points to Kern County and Santa Barbara County as the 2 counties most likely to eventually become part of the Los Angeles CSA. San Diego is of interest as well as many people from Riverside County now work in San Diego and many people from Northern San Diego County now work in Orange County. At this point, I don’t see 15% of San Diego working up in the LA CSA anytime soon, not in the next 30 years at least, but who knows. I do believe that the LA CSA will surpass the New York CSA in population in the next 2 decades. Its seems only natural considering the times and how much Southern California is growing.
2. San Francisco-What’s happening in Northern California is going to surprise a lot of people once the dust settles. While SoCal has(rightfully) gotten all the attention for its booming mega-population-The 100-mile radius around San Francisco has quietly surpassed the 10 million mark in population with a Gross Product of $550 Billion, and the State of California estimtes that the population by 8 million by 2050. 18 Million people in a hundred mile radius is a lot. Especially considering that once you leave that radius, there’s no other significant population for about 300 miles. This relative isolation creates a very distinct interdependence that means the bay area provides high paying jobs and the valley will provide cheaper homes. What you have now is the US’s 3rd largest metro in the making
Top 100 Counties by Per Capita Income and Percentage of Natl Average
* indicates a county that is part of a metropolitan area
1*New York, New York $93,377 270.9%(top ranking urban county)
2 Teton, Wyoming 89,028 258.3
3 Pitkin, Colorado 77,970 226.2
4 Loving, Texas 77,787 225.7
5*Marin, California 75,884 220.19(top ranking suburban county)
6*Fairfield, Connecticut 67,269 195.1
7*San Francisco, California 62,614 181.6
8*Morris, New Jersey 62,583 181.6
9*Westchester, New York 62,045 180.0
10*Alexandria City, Virginia 61,147 177.4
11*Somerset, New Jersey 61,039 177.1
12*Hunterdon, New Jersey 60,357 175.1
13*Fairfax, F'fx City + Falls Ch, Virginia 60,289 174.9
14*Montgomery, Maryland 59,953 173.9
15*Arlington, Virginia 59,389 172.3
16*San Mateo, California 59,213 171.8
17*Bergen, New Jersey 56,725 164.6
18 Nantucket, Massachusetts 56,092 162.7
19*Nassau, New York 54,941 159.4
20*Montgomery, Pennsylvania 54,293 157.5
21 Los Alamos, New Mexico 54,134 157.0
22*Norfolk, Massachusetts 53,278 154.6
23*District of Columbia 52,811 153.2
24*Howard, Maryland 52,580 152.5
25*Ozaukee, Wisconsin 52,490 152.3
26*Oakland, Michigan 52,274 151.6
27 Blaine, Idaho 52,245 151.6
28*Goochland, Virginia 52,212 151.5
29*Middlesex, Massachusetts 51,869 150.5
30*Santa Clara, California 51,112 148.3
31 Talbot, Maryland 50,872 147.6
32*Chester, Pennsylvania 50,787 147.3
33*Summit, Utah 50,542 146.6
34*Palm Beach, Florida 50,371 146.1
35*Martin, Florida 49,992 145.0
36*Hennepin, Minnesota 49,566 143.8
37*Collier, Florida 49,492 143.6
38*Fulton, Georgia 49,291 143.0
39 Sully, South Dakota 49,119 142.5
40*Lake, Illinois 48,906 141.9
41*Contra Costa, California 48,618 141.0
42*Monmouth, New Jersey 48,506 140.7
43*DuPage, Illinois 48,472 140.6
44*King, Washington 48,216 139.9
45*Clear Creek, Colorado 48,150 139.7
46*Johnson, Kansas 48,123 139.6
47*Williamson, Tennessee 47,712 138.4
48*Denver, Colorado 47,652 138.2
49 Denali Borough, Alaska 47,551 137.9
50 Douglas, Nevada 47,303 137.2
51 Sherman, Texas 47,084 136.6
52*Arapahoe, Colorado 47,039 136.5
53*Sarasota, Florida 46,965 136.2
54 Dukes, Massachusetts 46,879 136.0
55*Rockland, New York 46,505 134.9
56*Indian River, Florida 46,219 134.1
57*St. Louis, Missouri 46,207 134.0
58 Monroe, Florida 45,946 133.3
59*Mercer, New Jersey 45,923 133.2
60*Boulder, Colorado 45,849 133.0
61*Suffolk, Massachusetts 45,845 133.0
62*Collin, Texas 45,720 132.6
63*Anne Arundel, Maryland 45,648 132.4
64*Waukesha, Wisconsin 45,454 131.9
65*Fauquier, Virginia 45,171 131.0
66*Bucks, Pennsylvania 44,945 130.4
67*Orange, California 44,453 129.0
68*Baltimore, Maryland 44,375 128.7
69*Hamilton, Indiana 44,354 128.7
70 Eagle, Colorado 44,200 128.2
71*Carver, Minnesota 44,137 128.0
72 San Juan, Washington 44,053 127.8
73*Union, New Jersey 44,047 127.8
74*Barnstable, Massachusetts 43,992 127.6
74*Putnam, New York 43,992 127.6
76 Bristol Bay Borough, Alaska 43,966 127.5
77*Essex, New Jersey 43,951 127.5
78*Douglas, Colorado 43,919 127.4
79 Hickman, Kentucky 43,723 126.8
80*Napa, California 43,669 126.7
81*Hartford, Connecticut 43,266 125.5
82*Newport, Rhode Island 43,168 125.2
83*St. Johns, Florida 43,086 125.0
84*Bristol, Rhode Island 43,068 124.9
85*Union, South Dakota 43,056 124.9
86*Washington, Minnesota 43,030 124.8
87*Mecklenburg, North Carolina 42,984 124.7
88*Alameda, California 42,956 124.6
89*Boone, Indiana 42,946 124.6
90*Jefferson, Colorado 42,709 123.9
91*Middlesex, Connecticut 42,705 123.9
92*Santa Cruz, California 42,643 123.7
93*Essex, Massachusetts 42,563 123.5
94*Rockingham, New Hampshire 42,519 123.3
95*Suffolk, New York 42,373 122.9
96 North Slope Borough, Alaska 42,209 122.4
97*Davidson, Tennessee 42,192 122.4
98 Sublette, Wyoming 42,181 122.4
99*Delaware, Pennsylvania 42,008 121.9
100*New Castle, Delaware 41,937 121.7
Released 4/26/2007 by The Bureau of Economic Analysis.
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Dont realy take that chart to serious!
