Will the sunbelt boom slow down? Will the north ever boom again? (mortgage, how much)

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by CravingMountains

That two months is a LOT. lol.

I can't speak for what is normal in the north, as I have only visited. But my aunt who lived in upsate New York for several years said that she would get snow some years into May, with snow flurries and ice starting as early as October. I have been to Chicago in June and it got down into the 40s at night.

There is also this very false saying among northerners that people in the south sweat for six months of the year. I doubt that. I just moved here to Atlanta from Florida but have been visiting for years and the only really hot time is from mid may to mid September. Cool pleasant evenings and even some cold fronts start coming in by mid September.

I guess that is what I notice coming from Florida, where you truly do sweat for nine months of the year. April until late December don't go out in heavy clothing or misery will befall you.

Snow in May and October is rare, if not very rare. I say to expect snow from after Thanksgiving to about mid March, give or take. Winters in recent years have been quite mild as well versus a decade or more ago.

Oops, I just saw canudigit's post and is about the same timeframe to expect snow in Upstate NY too.

[nep321]

Also, whoever said that we have to shovel snow every few days........seriously??? On a typical winter, one only needs to deal with snow removal maybe 3-4 times per month. And up north, we do NOT have to mow lawns for 7 months out of the year.

[rnc2mbfl]

Originally Posted by nep321

Also, whoever said that we have to shovel snow every few days........seriously??? On a typical winter, one only needs to deal with snow removal maybe 3-4 times per month. And up north, we do NOT have to mow lawns for 7 months out of the year.

True. You get to look at brown lawns when they are not covered with snow.

[Min-Chi-Cbus]

Who cares what Sun Belters think?! Let them think it's terribly cold and uninhabitable up North 7 months of the year. In just about every major Northern city it is about 60 degrees or warmer on average for the months between April and October (7 months) -- I don't need a heavy coat for 60 degrees, personally. Not even my 6-month old baby needs more than long sleeves in that kind of weather, at most!

You know you only see threads like these during the winter time because somebody in the Sun Belt with an inferiority complex has to feel good about themselves, yet you rarely see the same thing during summer time from Northern posters. Call me crazy but I don't consider somebody as being happy with where they live when they're constantly looking for a reason to put down other regions of the country. I know when the weather in perfect up North from May through September I'm not creating threads about how terrible the heat and humidity are in the South (and it's not because Southern weather isn't uncomfortable during that period).

[jbcmh81]

[quote=columbus finest;32966818]

Originally Posted by greenbay33

I think that certain Sun Belt states will continue to boom. Texas will because of its oil, as well as having two World Class cities and a few more well known cities with good economies. Georgia should do okay too. However, I think Florida and maybe even Arizona will stagnate. The housing market crash hit Florida, Arizona and Nevada pretty damn hard, and while they are still growing, it won't be as impressive, say in 20 years.

I think though that overall the growth will still be southern oriented. People want to live where it's warm. The only exceptions will be places that are booming because of mineral wealth (North Dakota) or are more like sunbelt cities (Like Columbus OH, or Indianapolis. Even KC is booming as far as the metro grows.[/quote.]

columbus is a sunbelt town now. learn something new everyday.

I got from that that it has characteristics more like one than it does with other regional cities.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Min-Chi-Cbus

Couldn't disagree more with Phoenix. It's popular BECAUSE of the weather, not in spite of it. We know what not-as-hot desert cities would look like: just look to Albuquerque or Denver. Scarce resources will always inhibit Phoenix's growth, imo.

A perfect example of a region that grows for the sole reason of economics: North Dakota, the fastest growing state. Also, to a lesser extent Minneapolis, Chicago, Madison, etc. at the end of the day money trumps most desires (sadly). If the north were job-rich like it was during the Industrial Revolution it will boom again. Same goes for anyplace for that matter.

Yep. People make way too many assumptions regarding regional growth and decline. It's almost entirely economic based, and economics can change and they can change rapidly. The Sun Belt won't always boom, and the North won't always decline or stagnate. One day they may reverse positions again, who knows. At this point in time, I see the two gradually heading towards neutrality.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by nep321

Much of CA's growth is probably attributable to illegal immigration.

Immigration + natural growth. Its domestic migration is negative and has been for some time now.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Where California HAS INDEED become like the Northeast is it's ability to attract college educated newcomers.

50% or higher in red

State------------------------Moved from Another State Age 25+, 2012------------------
-----------------------------Total-------Has a Bachelor Degree or Higher.........Percent
Massachusetts.............. 78,499........................47,048.............. ...............59.9%
Vermont.......................10,971.............. ............6,288.............................57.3%
New York....................148,369................... .....84,267.............................56.7%
Connecticut...................43,947.............. ..........23,645.............................53.8%
Maryland.......................94,263............. ...........48,501.............................51.4%
California.....................301,922............ ..........154,871..........................51.2%
Virginia........................146,017........... ............74,165..............................50.7%

New Hampshire..............29,726..................... ...14,430..............................48.5%
Maine...........................16,867............ ...............8,171.............................4 8.4%
Illinois.........................121,520.......... ..............58,904.............................. 48.4%
Colorado......................120,518............. ...........57,386..............................47. 6%
New Jersey....................83,559.................. ......39,820..............................47.6%
Rhode Island.................16,817..................... .....7,789...............................46.3%
Delaware......................19,887.............. ............9,126...............................45 .8%
Minnesota.....................57,051.............. ...........25,585..............................44. 8%
Wisconsin......................52,589............. ...........23,261..............................44. 2%
North Carolina..............156,310..................... ...67,832..............................43.3%
Pennsylvania................115,921............... .........49,848..............................43.0%
Washington..................125,625............... .........52,903..............................42.1%
New Mexico...................34,377................... .....13,937...............................40.5%
Ohio............................114,050........... ............45,206...............................3 9.6%
Michigan........................77,365............ ...........30,398...............................39 .2%
Utah.............................40,747........... .............15,980............................... 39.2%
Oregon..........................74,211............ ...........28,986................................3 9.0%
Kansas..........................44,815............ ...........17,044................................3 8.0%
Hawaii...........................32,097........... ............11,995................................ 37.3%
Texas...........................299,725........... ..........111,316...............................37 .1%
Alabama.........................59,293............ ..........21,688...............................36. 5%
Iowa..............................40,949.......... ............14,928...............................3 6.4%
Nebraska .......................23,286..................... ..8,456................................36.3%
Alaska...........................18,648........... ............6,657................................. ..35.6%
Idaho.............................32,097.......... ...........10,781................................3 3.7%
Georgia.........................153,741........... ..........53,035................................34 .4%
South Dakota..................14,330.................... ..4,965.................................34.1%
South Carolina................89,047.................... ..29,681...............................33.3%
Missouri.........................89,719........... ...........29,743...............................33 .1%
Montana.........................19,904............ ...........6,571................................33 .0%
Florida..........................356,984.......... .........115,862................................32 .4%
Arizona.........................151,485........... ..........49,051................................32 .3%
Louisiana........................54,623........... ..........17,686................................32 .3%
North Dakota..................18,753.................... ...6,041.................................32.2%
Indiana..........................74,774........... ..........23,846.................................3 1.8%
Tennessee.....................106,116............. .......32,974.................................31.0 %
Wyoming........................15,854............. .........4,687.................................29. 5%
Nevada...........................78,926........... .........22,208.................................28 .1%
Oklahoma.......................60,014............. .......16,305.................................27.1 %
Mississippi.......................39,264.......... ..........10,524................................26 .8%
Kentucky........................66,331............ .........16,843...............................25.3 %
Arkansas........................44,680............ .........10,537...............................23.5 %
West Virginia..................26,884.................. .....6,195.................................23.0%

It's interesting that most of the top states are Northern. Not really news, but it does dispel the idea that literally everyone is moving South. The most educated still do not.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by nep321

Maryland and Virginia are not the Northeast. They're in the South. Period. End of story.

One could make a pretty convincing argument that Northern Virginia and Maryland are pretty much part of the North. Baltimore does not feel like the South in any way, nor does the DC area.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by bluecarebear

I have been looking at real estate and cities all over the US. Times have changed. It used to be that you moved to the South or West for a cheap cost of living. People would move to the South and purchased houses for at least half of what they cost in the North. That is no longer the case. I am finding that real estate and the cost of living is very expensive in the most of the country except for the classic Rustbelt cities of the North.

Yeah, anyone who has done recent COL comparisons would know that that advantage has quietly eroded away in the Sun Belt. The Midwest, by and large, is now becoming the cheapest region in the nation, and it also has a pretty decent economy, especially in the upper Plains.