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Old 10-06-2014, 11:28 AM
 
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No, the Scots were not 26% of the population in Canada at the time of Confederation. In 1871, Canada's ethnic composition was:

French 1,082,940 31.1%
Irish 846,414 24.3%
English 706,369 20.3%
Scottish 549,946 15.8%
German 202,991 5.8%

Canada received lots of Irish Catholics and Irish Protestants in the 19th century. The Irish percentage went down over time because they made up a smaller percentage of late 19th century and early 20th century immigration than did the English and Scots. Also, it's quite likely that a lot of the Scots-Irish descendants started saying they were Scottish, since it's a kind of "prestige" ancestry in Canada.

Also, I really doubt that Toronto was 38% Scottish-born in 1848.
These is the source for the 1871 information (page 265), and the 1848 statistics (page 21-22).

The first stats wasn't specified if it's Scotland born or Scottish ancestry. Where did you find the 1871 statistics by the way? I wasn't able to find it but only these couple of sources. I am interested in checking that out! And if you have the early Australian ones as well.

And was Scottish a prestigious ancestry to claimed back then? I have always thought that there were some association with the highlander emigrations. English is firmly on top within the British Isles when it comes to status. Just my impression though.
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Old 10-06-2014, 11:34 AM
 
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This is my source:

Racial origins of the population, census years 1871 to 1941, with percentage distribution for 1941

As for the prestige of Scottish ancestry, I meant more today than then but yes they do have a sort of "special status" in Canada. The first PM was Scottish and the Scots while the smallest of the group of immigrants from the British Isles in the 19th century were also the most prosperous (they were more likely to be more prosperous farmers, merchants, etc.)
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Old 10-06-2014, 11:55 AM
 
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Did 3 more US cities - Milwaukee, Providence and Rochester. Summing up:

Italian, Polish, Czech and Slovak, Hungarian, Portuguese, Greek, Ukrainian and Lithuanian first ancestry (no overlap) + Jewish estimate:

New York 5,413,662 28.6% (58.6% of NHW population)
Chicago 1,780,647 18.8% (34.2%)
Philadelphia 1,285,067 21.5% (33.2%)
Los Angeles 1,159,318 9% (28.6%)
Boston 1,048,560 23% (30.8%)
Miami 978,701 17.5% (50.5%)
Detroit 732,553 17% (25.1%)
Pittsburgh 633,601 26.9% (30.9%)
Washington 573,741 10.2% (21.1%)
San Francisco 563,633 13% (30.6%)
Cleveland 511,015 24.6% (34.3%)
Providence 480,625 30% (37.8%)
Baltimore 389,356 14.3% (23.9%)
Phoenix 370,405 8.8% (15.1%)
Tampa 368,224 13% (19.6%)
Buffalo 333,416 29.4% (36.9%)
Atlanta 315,878 6% (11.8%)
San Diego 275,757 8.8% (18.4%)
Dallas 266,099 4.2% (8.3%)
Houston 261,889 4.4% (11.1%)
Minneapolis-St. Paul 260,526 7.9% (10.1%)
Denver 255,230 10% (15.2%)
Seattle 246,640 7.1% (10.5%)
St. Louis 239,048 8.5% (11.3%)
Rochester 225,913 21.4% (27.4%)
Milwaukee 225,338 14.5% (21%)
New Orleans 99,813 8.6% (15.9%)

Canadian cities: Italian, Ukrainian, Polish, Jewish, Portuguese and Greek (no overlap):

Toronto 1,122,305 20.3% (38.8% of white population)
Montreal 485,435 12.9% (16.4%)
Vancouver 234,080 10.3% (19.5%)
Edmonton 209,445 18.4% (25.5%)
Winnipeg 163,440 22.9% (33%)
Calgary 150,795 12.6% (18.2%)
Hamilton 142,275 20.1% (23.9%)
Ottawa 113,865 9.4% (12%)
Windsor 52,970 16.8% (20.8%)

Australian cities: Italian, Greek, Maltese, Croatian and Polish ancestry + Jewish religion (some overlap):

Melbourne 620,207 15.5%
Sydney 459,126 10.5%
Adelaide 147,188 12%
Perth 146,831 8.5%
Brisbane 95,992 4.6%

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Old 10-06-2014, 11:56 AM
 
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Thanks for the source! Good page to keep an eye on for! I wondered what are the sources of those publications I mentioned? Maybe they used a different parameter for their statistics and claims.

And interesting! I have thought that most of them left from the highland clearance. But perhaps that's only a small part of the history. Scotland does always seems to pull above their weight when it comes to politics in the colonies though!
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Old 10-06-2014, 12:08 PM
 
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The Highlanders are only a small percentage of the Scottish population in Canada, mainly in Nova Scotia and pockets of Scottish Highlander Loyalist settlements in Eastern Ontario.
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Old 10-06-2014, 12:14 PM
 
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Re: Australia, I recall reading somewhere that in 1900 it was said to be "more British than the British Isles" and that about 98% of its population in 1900 was of British or Irish descent - not sure how much that changed by say, 1930 - or if that proportion more or less held up until 1945. Even today it's pretty evident that Australian cities are a lot more Anglo Saxon than Canadian cities.
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Old 10-06-2014, 12:34 PM
 
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No, the Scots were not 26% of the population in Canada at the time of Confederation. In 1871, Canada's ethnic composition was:

French 1,082,940 31.1%
Irish 846,414 24.3%
English 706,369 20.3%
Scottish 549,946 15.8%
German 202,991 5.8%

Canada received lots of Irish Catholics and Irish Protestants in the 19th century. The Irish percentage went down over time because they made up a smaller percentage of late 19th century and early 20th century immigration than did the English and Scots. Also, it's quite likely that a lot of the Scots-Irish descendants started saying they were Scottish, since it's a kind of "prestige" ancestry in Canada.

Also, I really doubt that Toronto was 38% Scottish-born in 1848.
I though the other reason the percentage of Irish went down in Canada it's because many Irish people migrate to the United States after they settled in Canada. For them, Canada was just a temporary place.
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Old 10-06-2014, 01:05 PM
 
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This is my source:

Racial origins of the population, census years 1871 to 1941, with percentage distribution for 1941

As for the prestige of Scottish ancestry, I meant more today than then but yes they do have a sort of "special status" in Canada. The first PM was Scottish and the Scots while the smallest of the group of immigrants from the British Isles in the 19th century were also the most prosperous (they were more likely to be more prosperous farmers, merchants, etc.)
I think Canada actually has more Scots than Irish and certainly more than Welsh.
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Old 10-06-2014, 01:12 PM
 
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They're pretty similar in numbers and they've been in Canada for so long and are so assimilated that it's hard to know who is "really" ahead.

Scottish ancestry definitely represents a higher % of the population in Canada than the US and Australia. Australia is by far the most English. Irish is probably about the same in all three countries.
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Old 10-06-2014, 01:25 PM
 
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They're pretty similar in numbers and they've been in Canada for so long and are so assimilated that it's hard to know who is "really" ahead.

Scottish ancestry definitely represents a higher % of the population in Canada than the US and Australia. Australia is by far the most English. Irish is probably about the same in all three countries.
The Canadian accent sounds a bit Scottish tinged to me actually. Like maybe 80% American, 10% English and 10% Scottish or something, lol.
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