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Old 01-08-2015, 04:26 PM
 
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Thats opinion based and I will go as far as saying it is strickly a biased opinion. The real transition is anywhere north of Baltimore, Frederick, Hagerstown, and Cumberland.
His post wasn't opinion based. New Jersey, Deleware, Maryland and DC definitely have northern politics especially DC. Look at the past voting stats.

All of these states/districts have northern economies and besides a couple of places such as the eastern shore, areas around Wilmington because these places are rural these states feel very northeastern. Upstate New York is quite rural as well but would you say it's not northeastern?

 
Old 01-08-2015, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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His post wasn't opinion based. New Jersey, Deleware, Maryland and DC definitely have northern politics especially DC. Look at the past voting stats.
Virginia has "northern" politics too. A lot of places are headed the "northern" direction as they rapidly fill up with minorities and transplants.
 
Old 01-08-2015, 04:34 PM
 
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Virginia has "northern" politics too. A lot of places are headed the "northern" direction as they rapidly fill up with minorities and transplants.
This is very true, but I was referring the previous post he replied to cause those were the states that were being mentioned. Although, outside of Virginia's three major metro areas it's still very southern in politics. Especially in southwest Virginia, south of Hampton roads and central VA. The richmond metro is still very much half and half with it being slightly more red. While NoVa is more blue and tiny bit red because of its rural exurbs. Hampton roads is half and half but a lot more blue because of places like Norfolk etc.
 
Old 01-08-2015, 04:38 PM
 
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This is very true, but I was referring the previous post he replied to cause those were the states that were being mentioned. Although, outside of Virginia's three major metro areas it's still very southern in politics.
What does that mean: "southern in politics"? Do you mean they vote Republican? How is that any different from much of Pennsylvania?

The interesting thing is that it was Scots-Irish and Germans from the Pennsylvania backwoods who ended up pushing south and settling in many of the Southern states anyway. Perhaps that's what makes Pennslyvania more conservative than the states to its North that were largely settled by Yankees pushing west from Mass and CT.

During the election of 1860, Pennsylvania was the only Northern state (I believe) in which Breckenridge performed well.
 
Old 01-08-2015, 04:43 PM
 
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What does that mean: "southern in politics"? Do you mean they vote Republican? How is that any different from much of Pennsylvania?

The interesting thing is that it was Scots-Irish and Germans from the Pennsylvania backwoods who ended up pushing south and settling in many of the Southern states anyway. Perhaps that's what makes Pennslyvania more conservative than the states to its North that were largely settled by Yankees pushing west from Mass and CT.

During the election of 1860, Pennsylvania was the only Northern state (I believe) in which Breckenridge performed well even though Lincoln captured a majority of the state's vote.
Yes I meant more republican and conservative.
 
Old 01-08-2015, 04:45 PM
 
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Yes I meant more republican and conservative.
though these areas exist everywhere- CA as an example will have many such areas outside of the main metros and coast for as liberal as the state comes across and red vs blue is sometimes over stated. Liberal New England can be very conservative on many aspects. Maybe not thumping NRA like Central PA but still there are variants
 
Old 01-08-2015, 04:46 PM
 
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Yes I meant more republican and conservative.
Then Pennsylvania fits that to a tee. Outside of the big cities, it's very Republican and socially conservative. This is not the case in New York State and all of the other areas of the Northeast settled by Yankees. In 2000, Pennsylvania voters, as a whole, scored higher on social conservatism than Virginia voters did (and this was obviously well before anyone was talking about a "purple" Virginia).
 
Old 01-08-2015, 04:52 PM
 
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His post wasn't opinion based. New Jersey, Deleware, Maryland and DC definitely have northern politics especially DC. Look at the past voting stats.

All of these states/districts have northern economies and besides a couple of places such as the eastern shore, areas around Wilmington because these places are rural these states feel very northeastern. Upstate New York is quite rural as well but would you say it's not northeastern?
It is a biased opinion in which you just proved my point by judging dc and baltimore and try to make the state of Maryland equivilent to the two cities when most of Maryland is mostly aligned with Virginia and North Carolina but swear that Texas is a Southern State even though it is Southwestern with a Mexican twist.

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Old 01-08-2015, 04:53 PM
 
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I thought this map was pretty good.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/20726549-post124.html


 
Old 01-08-2015, 04:55 PM
 
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This is very true, but I was referring the previous post he replied to cause those were the states that were being mentioned. Although, outside of Virginia's three major metro areas it's still very southern in politics. Especially in southwest Virginia, south of Hampton roads and central VA. The richmond metro is still very much half and half with it being slightly more red. While NoVa is more blue and tiny bit red because of its rural exurbs. Hampton roads is half and half but a lot more blue because of places like Norfolk etc.
And to further add on to my previous comment; the red republican parts of Maryland are outside of DC and Baltimore.
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