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Just Old Kensington. That is, the part that is directly adjacent to Fishtown. Fishtown never really "collapsed" in the way that the OP was discussing regarding Kensington. Fishtown, though gentrifying, was a strong neighborhood already.
South Philly, where the OP moved to, seems to be doing just fine.
Rumor is that Philly police let Kensington basically be a containment area for drugs and crime and moreso keep the bad from spreading rather than actually patrol the area.
Just Old Kensington. That is, the part that is directly adjacent to Fishtown. Fishtown never really "collapsed" in the way that the OP was discussing regarding Kensington. Fishtown, though gentrifying, was a strong neighborhood already.
South Philly, where the OP moved to, seems to be doing just fine.
Yeah Fishtown is where the "rich irish" lived we couldn't afford it. South Philly is a shadow of its former self. Didn't go bad in the same way but a lot of areas changed really quick and we had to keep moving east and south every couple of years. It's really spooked me from ever buying a house cause I'm always afraid of settling in because the area might go bad.
As for someone who mentioned urban renewal. I was not even born then I'm talking about the 80s and 90s.
Yeah Fishtown is where the "rich irish" lived we couldn't afford it. South Philly is a shadow of its former self. Didn't go bad in the same way but a lot of areas changed really quick and we had to keep moving east and south every couple of years. It's really spooked me from ever buying a house cause I'm always afraid of settling in because the area might go bad.
As for someone who mentioned urban renewal. I was not even born then I'm talking about the 80s and 90s.
Urban renewal can occur at different times and even now, there are cities that have torn down lower income housing for higher end housing. This in turn has sent these former residents to various parts of a city/metro.
- It is inevitable that Kensington will eventually gentrify as the gentrification line moves ever more northward over the next decade or two. NoLibs did, Fishtown is, Olde Kensington is now, Callowhill/Loft District is now, Kensington will within 10 -25 years. That's the beauty of the whole gentrification thing -- it's always darkest before the dawn. Those who rode out the doubtful days are rewarded the most. Believe it or not many investors are expressing interest in many Kensington enclaves...we've seen the same pattern in the other areas mentioned. As Center City becomes more and more desirable, the far fringe sections will begin to reap the benefits.
- And South Philly East of Broad is Booming (Post-gentrification)!
- Also, diversity is not necessarily the issue, it's more the usual suspects like under-education, joblessness and poverty -- which can hamper anyone, regardless of background. Just my 2 cents.
- It is inevitable that Kensington will eventually gentrify as the gentrification line moves ever more northward over the next decade or two. NoLibs did, Fishtown is, Olde Kensington is now, Callowhill/Loft District is now, Kensington will within 10 -25 years. That's the beauty of the whole gentrification thing -- it's always darkest before the dawn. Those who rode out the doubtful days are rewarded the most. Believe it or not many investors are expressing interest in many Kensington enclaves...we've seen the same pattern in the other areas mentioned. As Center City becomes more and more desirable, the far fringe sections will begin to reap the benefits.
- And South Philly East of Broad is Booming (Post-gentrification)!
- Also, diversity is not necessarily the issue, it's more the usual suspects like under-education, joblessness and poverty -- which can hamper anyone, regardless of background. Just my 2 cents.
I don't like gentrified neighborhoods and I don't like diverse neighborhoods. I miss the old neighborhood where the neighbors knew each other from generation and this was the irish neighbkrhood and this was the polish neighborhood etc. even if it gets nice it won't be the place I grew up in it will be filled with transplants...a good neighborhood to me is the kind of place where generations have lived. In Kensington and half of south philly that's dead
Back in the 50's my family stuck it out in our Chicago neighborhood for as long as we could. But for one, the one bedroom apartment we had was way too small for five people, it was post war WWII and apartments were scarcer than hen's teeth so that's all my parents could find for us. So we had to eventually find something larger after they had lived there for about 12 years.
Then our neighborhood was changing and it simply was no longer safe for us to be there. We were made to feel unwelcome in our own neighborhood. All the neighborhood stores we shopped at, there were no supermarkets were closing. So we finally found our larger apartment in a different neighborhood.
Serveral decades ago, the building we lived in was torn down. The lot where it stood is still vacant. I couldn't go back "home" if I wanted to and I don't want to. I want to remember it as it was and not as it is.
My family left my nice (when I was growing up) hometown just outside the capital beltway in MD's Prince Georges back in 1986 after I graduated. Houses were kept up and nice. We all new each other. It was a safe area but we saw the writing on the wall. We were one of the first out but over the years, keeping touch with old neighbors and driving by occasionally, I would see the rapid slide downhill and heard about the increase in crime. By the mid 90's the place was a dump and turned into a pretty bad area. Last time I drove around I couldn't believe it. I never intend to drive around that town again. What a shame!
My family left my nice (when I was growing up) hometown just outside the capital beltway in MD's Prince Georges back in 1986 after I graduated. Houses were kept up and nice. We all new each other. It was a safe area but we saw the writing on the wall. We were one of the first out but over the years, keeping touch with old neighbors and driving by occasionally, I would see the rapid slide downhill and heard about the increase in crime. By the mid 90's the place was a dump and turned into a pretty bad area. Last time I drove around I couldn't believe it. I never intend to drive around that town again. What a shame!
Prince George county is disgusting. It's where all the trash from SE DC went when DC became nice. I knew someone from Bowie when I was a kid and it was nice...only area that stayed nice was around UMD in college park
Prince George county is disgusting. It's where all the trash from SE DC went when DC became nice. I knew someone from Bowie when I was a kid and it was nice...only area that stayed nice was around UMD in college park
Actually, with Prince George's County think inside the Beltway versus outside of the Beltway. Don't stereotype based off of racial demographics, as many predominately Black areas outside of the Beltway have roughly 6 figure median household incomes.
Many people that leave PG County move to Charles County.
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