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Most of Missouri isn't Southern and it was more pro Union than pro Confederate. And West of the Mississippi is not Midwest. Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio are all solidly Midwestern states.
A sizable portion of missouri is southern. You seem to be disregarding this area. What about people on the ozarks and delta regions of missouri. The gentleman in this video represents the missouri ozarks and we are not midwestern. http://m.ky3.com/eds-welding-reeds-s...50392_31976712
A sizable portion of missouri is southern. You seem to be disregarding this area. What about people on the ozarks and delta regions of missouri. The gentleman in this video represents the missouri ozarks and we are not midwestern. KY3 News Ozark Life archives: Ed's Welding -- Reeds Spring | Home - KY3.com
Only about a third to a quarter of Missouri actually qualifies as Southern. And the Ozarks aren't completely Southern either. Geographically they extend as far north as St. Louis and Jefferson City. The Ozarks are a transition zone in the northern half to Southern in the southern half where Springfield and Branson and Arkansas are. You are trying to make Missouri Southern when the vast majority of it simply isn't. There are parts which are but they don't come even close to making Missouri anywhere close to 50 percent Southern. Southwest and Southeast Missouri are southern and even portions of South Central Missouri are but this makes up collectively roughly 30 percent of the whole state.
As someone who has lived in Northern IL most of his life, and who went to college in Iowa, I see it like this.
1) Iowa, Indiana, Ohio, and non-Chicago Illinois are very similar and are = "General Midwest"
2) Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota = "Upper Midwest"
3) Chicago is just "Chicago", which can be lumped into "General Midwest" but has its own thing.
4) Kansas, Dakotas, Nebraska are GREAT PLAINS and NOT the midwest AT ALL
5) Missouri is a mix of general midwest, great plains, and the South. I think this state, not Iowa, has a lack of homogeneous identity.
As someone who has lived in Northern IL most of his life, and who went to college in Iowa, I see it like this.
1) Iowa, Indiana, Ohio, and non-Chicago Illinois are very similar and are = "General Midwest"
2) Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota = "Upper Midwest"
3) Chicago is just "Chicago", which can be lumped into "General Midwest" but has its own thing.
4) Kansas, Dakotas, Nebraska are GREAT PLAINS and NOT the midwest AT ALL
5) Missouri is a mix of general midwest, great plains, and the South. I think this state, not Iowa, has a lack of homogeneous identity.
Missouri isn't Great Plains at all. And it is only about 30 percent Southern. Overall the majority of the state identifies as Midwestern. And the Great Plains are considered part of the Midwest. They represent the Western Midwest, Missouri, Iowa, and Minnesota represent the Central Midwest, and the states east of there represent the Eastern Midwest.
Missouri isn't Great Plains at all. And it is only about 30 percent Southern. Overall the majority of the state identifies as Midwestern. And the Great Plains are considered part of the Midwest. They represent the Western Midwest, Missouri, Iowa, and Minnesota represent the Central Midwest, and the states east of there represent the Eastern Midwest.
The vast majority of Christians outside of the St. Louis metro identify as Baptist. There is no Midwestern state that has such a high Baptist population. This would speak to the idea that Missouri mostly identifies as southern.
The Midwest as I see it: The Great Plains/Western Midwest states: ND, SD, NE, KS. Upper Midwest: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan. Central Midwest: Iowa, Northern Illinois/Northern Indiana/Northern Ohio. Lower Midwest: The Northern half of Missouri, including KC STL Columbia and Jeff City, the rest of Ohio and all of Illinois and Indiana north of Interstate 64. Border regions between the Midwest and South: The upper half of the Southern half of Missouri, Southern Illinois below I-64, and Southern Indiana and Southeast Ohio. The southern quarter of Missouri is actually the South.
The Midwest as I see it: The Great Plains/Western Midwest states: ND, SD, NE, KS. Upper Midwest: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan. Central Midwest: Iowa, Northern Illinois/Northern Indiana/Northern Ohio. Lower Midwest: The Northern half of Missouri, including KC STL Columbia and Jeff City, the rest of Ohio and all of Illinois and Indiana north of Interstate 64. Border regions between the Midwest and South: The upper half of the Southern half of Missouri, Southern Illinois below I-64, and Southern Indiana and Southeast Ohio. The southern quarter of Missouri is actually the South.
I wouldn't group Michigan with Wisconsin and Minnesota. Michigan (outside of parts of the UP) has more in common with Northern Ohio, Illinois, and Indiana.
The vast majority of Christians outside of the St. Louis metro identify as Baptist. There is no Midwestern state that has such a high Baptist population. This would speak to the idea that Missouri mostly identifies as southern.
Religious identity by itself doesn't speak as to whether or not a state is Southern. Missouri is German American in most of its counties, which is a Midwestern trait, not a Southern one. Religion is the lone Southern influence in the vast majority of the state until you get down into the Southern parts of the state.
As someone who has lived in Northern IL most of his life, and who went to college in Iowa, I see it like this.
1) Iowa, Indiana, Ohio, and non-Chicago Illinois are very similar and are = "General Midwest"
2) Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota = "Upper Midwest"
3) Chicago is just "Chicago", which can be lumped into "General Midwest" but has its own thing.
4) Kansas, Dakotas, Nebraska are GREAT PLAINS and NOT the midwest AT ALL
5) Missouri is a mix of general midwest, great plains, and the South. I think this state, not Iowa, has a lack of homogeneous identity.
The populated centers of Iowa from Des Moines to the east and to the north have far more in common culturally, religiously and politically with Wisconsin and Minnesota than they ever do with Indiana or downstate Illinois.
A sizable portion of missouri is southern. You seem to be disregarding this area. What about people on the ozarks and delta regions of missouri. The gentleman in this video represents the missouri ozarks and we are not midwestern. KY3 News Ozark Life archives: Ed's Welding -- Reeds Spring | Home - KY3.com
And you seem to be ignoring that that majority of the state doesn't identify with the southern portion. The vast majority of Missourians live in metro St. Louis and metro Kansas City, and you seem to be ignoring all the folks who live along the Illinois border north of St. Louis, the Iowa border, etc.
No one ever said that there aren't Missourians who identify as Southern, but the same can be said of Illinois, albeit at a lower rate, but neither are the majority influence in either state.
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Originally Posted by Cleverfield
The vast majority of Christians outside of the St. Louis metro identify as Baptist. There is no Midwestern state that has such a high Baptist population. This would speak to the idea that Missouri mostly identifies as southern.
So metro Kansas City is Southern now? That gave me a laugh.
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