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That hasn't been my experience at all. Maybe it's because I'm NOT gay, and because I live in Minneapolis, where we have a whole lot of non-glamorous, non upper-class GLBT people who don't fit the media stereotype of what a gay person looks like. It has nothing to do with what's fashionable or not; it's just that it's not considered very nice to discriminate against friends, family, and neighbors. And perhaps because I'm not hanging out at fashionable places myself these days (I'm the parent of a preschooler), the majority of GLBT people I know don't fit the well-groomed gay male stereotype (or have a lot of disposable income, in the case of many fellow parents!). I'm not suggesting that liberals can't be guilty of discriminating against people, just don't believe that someone who chooses not to discriminate against gay people is more likely to discriminate against other people (if that's what is being suggested?). It might be "fashionable" not to discriminate against gay people, but that's probably a stage. No one says it's fashionable not to be racist -- it's just taken for granted that one should not be racist.
And I still think that overall, even if not for every person, people who choose not to discriminate against gay people will still be more likely to not discriminate against other groups of people. But then again, that's because I don't believe that most people choose to not discriminate against gay people just because its the trendy thing to do (as well as think the TV-version of gay men is far overblown). I think it really does have to do with a belief in tolerance and willingness to let other people live and let live, with being gay being the ultimate example of something that doesn't impact anyone else. As far as gay men being intolerant, I certainly believe that some are, some aren't -- being a member of a group that has faces or has faced discrimination doesn't seem to make people any more or less tolerant for other people, unfortunately.
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New York City
San Francisco
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Boston
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Denver
Houston
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Dallas
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Denver, Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta are all more socially moderate cities inside of more socially conservative suburbs. But none of them can be genuinely considered "socially liberal" in the same way that you'd talk about Seattle, Boston, or San Francisco. There are neighborhoods in Dallas, Denver, Houston, and Atlanta where you probably could feel like you're in Chicago or Boston in terms of liberalism, but the vast majority of those metro areas are much more conservative.
I don't agree. As a questioning guy with an extremely minor case of aspergers syndrome, I can say I have been discriminated against by many liberal people and especially by the gay community because I don't fit a certain mold. Liberalism(TM) is tolerant of those that its fashionable to be tolerant of in this culture. Right now, its the outgoing, well-groomed, upper-middle class to upper class gay male. Poor gays or those who don't meet the appearance standard are looked upon like dirt.
All true, but it's absurd how conservatives will try to exploit this type of situation. At least liberals are trying to be more open, whereas conservatives are more likely to just be closed and say "f*ck everybody who's not like me."
Most cities are liberal while the suburbs are either moderate or conservative. The only cities that have metro areas that are truly liberal are San Francisco (and the whole Bay Area including Silicon Valley to a lesser extent), Seattle and Boston. Many of the suburbs voted about 2/3 for Obama in 2008.
Socially, New Haveners are extremely, socially, uptight. Very stuffy.
Don't dare do anything unruly, like go to the mail box with your dog off the leash, or you will get a stern talking to AND a poison pen letter.
It in very hard to met people there if you are not from there or you are not affiliated with one of the schools.
I have never lived in a more socially barren environment than New Haven County.
I know a woman who considers her best friend to be her maid, because her maid is nice to her (her maid doesnt even speak English).
It is true that friendliness is rare in New Haven and surrounding areas, it's almost like there's a tax on friendliness or something.
I live in New Haven County.....it's not at all like you put it. Sure, a lot of people aren't as forth coming with friendliness but I just consider that being real. I mean the way you put it about a dog off of a leash.....where I live many people let there dogs out of their homes to run free......= )
Denver, Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta are all more socially moderate cities inside of more socially conservative suburbs. But none of them can be genuinely considered "socially liberal" in the same way that you'd talk about Seattle, Boston, or San Francisco. There are neighborhoods in Dallas, Denver, Houston, and Atlanta where you probably could feel like you're in Chicago or Boston in terms of liberalism, but the vast majority of those metro areas are much more conservative.
Chicago, New York and LA aren't even as liberal as Seattle or San Francisco.
Denver, Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta are all more socially moderate cities inside of more socially conservative suburbs. But none of them can be genuinely considered "socially liberal" in the same way that you'd talk about Seattle, Boston, or San Francisco. There are neighborhoods in Dallas, Denver, Houston, and Atlanta where you probably could feel like you're in Chicago or Boston in terms of liberalism, but the vast majority of those metro areas are much more conservative.
Chicago, New York and LA aren't even as liberal as Seattle or San Francisco.
True. Hell, New York is the city that gave birth to Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and Ann Coulture.
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