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Just to add, its black median household income is $113,377(9.1% black poverty rate) and the town has about 12,000 black residents, while also having a generally diverse population.
It also has some walkable villages that area a part of the town that brings that element that Montclair also has. Places like Tarrytown, Dobbs Ferry, Hastings-on-Hudson, Elmsford, Ardsley and Hartsdale are all small nodes of walkability within the town.
Sure I'm familiar with all those towns as I'm right across the river on the NE NJ side. Tarrytown has some nice food stops/watering holes and the cliffs along the Hudson are always fun.
Actually, Milton is more like Montclair than Cambridge. The Median Household income for black people in Cambridge is only 41,000. Which makes sense because many of them live in the projects. Housing is much more expensive in Cambridge than in Montclair.
The median black household income in Milton was $94,900 in 2016. By now it is surely well over $100,000. extremely similar.
Also looks-wise Montlair and Milton are similar. One slight difference: Milton prefers a more rustic uncurbed sidewalk-median as does much of upscale Massachusetts. Montclair prefers the more manicured streetscape upscale NE NJ prefers. Streets are straighter in New Jersey which give you a more unbroken sightline of the beautiful homes (this also works to NJ's disadvantage in places like Irvington and Newark)
That doesnt matter in this case because 94619 is upscale and in the hills overlooking the bay removed from grit. Oakland is like South Africa(Ive lived there), on the one hand sophisticated and posh(dripping in it) and on the other hand, street and rowdy AF.
And it's not little slivers of Oakland are wealthy while most of the city is compton, no a huge, visible, vibrant mass of Oakland that runs the entire length of the city, is affluent. A completely different world from the flatlands.
So there areas within the Oakland Hills that do match and exceed Montclair NJ as far as diverse wealthy suburban.
But I digress, it's not a 100% perfect match
But if were comparing the whole cities to each other, its not a great match.
The main problem with comparing these two is that, other than Oakland, Pittsburg, Vallejo, and Richmond, there arent a lot of places in the Bay Area with high concentrations of black people. Montclair isnt actually what I would consider diverse. Oakland is far more diverse. Almost 85% of its population is either white or black. Where Montclair stands out is its black income is very high and its crime is very low.
Thats why comparing any place in the Bay Area on a demographic level to Montclair doesnt really work. I cant even really think of a place in the LA area that works. Now, if you replace upscale black with upscale Asian or Hispanic, there are lots of places in the Bay that would work.
Sure I'm familiar with all those towns as I'm right across the river on the NE NJ side. Tarrytown has some nice food stops/watering holes and the cliffs along the Hudson are always fun.
But if were comparing the whole cities to each other, its not a great match.
The main problem with comparing these two is that, other than Oakland, Pittsburg, Vallejo, and Richmond, there arent a lot of places in the Bay Area with high concentrations of black people. Montclair isnt actually what I would consider diverse. Oakland is far more diverse. Almost 85% of its population is either white or black. Where Montclair stands out is its black income is very high and its crime is very low.
Thats why comparing any place in the Bay Area on a demographic level to Montclair doesnt really work. I cant even really think of a place in the LA area that works. Now, if you replace upscale black with upscale Asian or Hispanic, there are lots of places in the Bay that would work.
That’s why I put the numbers to at least 15% black. Even for California, that’s not a stretch.
Interested in an example of diverse suburbs in the Bay Area with a significant high income Hispanic population. I know in LA, Whittier might fit the bill.
Where was 15% mentioned in the thread? Just curious...Greenburgh is a little over 13% according to US Census sources and that is around the national percentage. So, some may still include it and others that are similar in this conversation.
That’s why I put the numbers to at least 15% black. Even for California, that’s not a stretch.
Interested in an example of diverse suburbs in the Bay Area with a significant high income Hispanic population. I know in LA, Whittier might fit the bill.
In my honest opinion the median percentage black for all states is 7%. Most towns in the US aren’t 7% black. That’s ~half of 15% which is when white flight tends to start or property values decline. 7/8% is enough that your a small presence but enough to make a few cultural contributions and too large to be ignored. If you’re 7% black and 35% minority overall I’d consider that diverse-enough. Especially if your surrounded by diversity via other locales. In reality if you’re town is 7% black it’s going to feel like more than that due to the older age of white folks. Especially if it’s a city of 50k+
15% is a solid threshold anc you should stick to it but 7% black 25-30-% other minorities is probably diverse enough to feel comfortable for me. Any place over 10/12% is within reason depending on the population of the town.
NJ and NY have a lot of those 10-25% black towns that are middle class.
Conversely some Ohio towns can be a bit questionable. If your 15% black and over 80% white I don’t know if can realistically call that diverse. I do thing Shaker Heights is a great equivalent though.
That’s why I put the numbers to at least 15% black. Even for California, that’s not a stretch.
Interested in an example of diverse suburbs in the Bay Area with a significant high income Hispanic population. I know in LA, Whittier might fit the bill.
Well, I looked into it and I found that LA County has 49 census tracts with a median hispanic household income of $171,000 or higher. The SF-Oakland Metro Area has 52 census tracts with a median household income of $155,000+ to $197,000+ depending on which county. That's without really delving into these location so take this with a grain of salt.
So I found 2 adjacent census tracts in Oakland that I think fit the best that can be found in Oakland at least.
Alameda County Census Tract 4099
Population: 3,630 Black Population: 48%
Median Black Family Income: $193,750
Per Capita Income: $87,813
^This area includes the Sequoyah Country Club, which is well known for having a large number of upper income African Americans in their membership.
It's almost rural out there to be honest. Lots of large horse properties, lots of wooded roads, unbelievable views too--I dont want to be stereotypical but think Huxtables. Oh, this is also the area that Jason Kidd grew up in.
Alameda County Census Tract 4081
Population: 6,108 Black Population: 23%
Median Black Family Income: $172,976
Per Capita Income: $75,835
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