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Philadelphia is one of the poorest, shabbiest dying cities in the U.S. Even if it hurts your feelings, it's true.
Oh...there is the superior attitude again...you tried "cautioning" us about Atlanta's growth by citing Philadelphia's superlative status. Thank you so much for that!
Philadelphia is one of the poorest cities in the U.S. Did I say that yet?
You cant throw the fact that Philadlephia is one of the poorest cities in the country at me when Atlanta is even poorer than Philadlephia. Defies logic.
Per capita income is a misleading statistic. The relevant statistic here is average family income. Per capita income is a figure that penalizes places that are affordible enough for people who have kids because most kids are at school and not at work. People move to Atlanta because housing is cheap and they want to start a family. Housing is much more expensive in Philly relative to incomes, as such people who want to start families tend to move to more affordible places like Atlanta, Phx, Vegas and Houston.
The data source for census scope is the US census bureau.
Again average family incomes are higher in Atlanta than Philly. The per capita number is misleading for our purposes.
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Originally Posted by rainrock
Imagine if this professor did a report on metro Atlanta which has less people than metro Philaldephia but has 2x the amount of acreage comprised in its metro.
There are parts of the city of Philly that are fairly dense. But the Philly MSA is the topic that we have been discussing on this thread. The Philly MSA isn't particularly dense. Those growth controls you are advocating pushing people further away from the city and making the region less dense.
Again the professor that I am citing is a professor at an institution you should be familiar with. He lives in Chesnut Hill. He is intimately familiar with Philly.
Witold Rybczynski Faculty Profile - The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/faculty/rybczyn.html - broken link)
He is the one who is writing papers about how bad sprawl is in the Philadelphia region.
Incomes are absolutely not higher. Housing cost /cost of living is cheaper which is the main reason for your growth. You might be all pumped about that now but 50-75-100 years from now when all that cheap housing deteriorates your region is going to be in for a rude awakening.The availabilty of cheap housing is a bad reason for growth.
You are misguided. People arent abandoning the Philadlephia metro. The Philadlephia area has grown every census period since records have been kept.On the otherhand The city of Philadelphia has lost population for the very same reasons I am cautioning you about. Overpopulation, mass production of housing, and the ensuing aftermath of soceity that comes with age.
You guys are confused about the condition of metro Philadlephia.86% of college graduates from the Philaldephia region stay in the Philaldephia region. If it were so bad you would be inclined to believe those graduates would leave.
I tend to believe you sunbelters are a little bit delusional.
Percentage of people living below the poverty line (2000)
Atlanta 24.4%
Philadlephia 22.9 %
I didnt even come hear to argue about cities. I actually tried cautioning you about overgrowth and used past cities including Philadlephia as an good example of the potential downfalls of unsustained growth.
Now beat it punk.
Again we are talking about the MSAs. Family incomes in the Philly MSA are lower than Family incomes in the Atlanta MSA.
You cant throw the fact that Philadlephia is one of the poorest cities in the country at me when Atlanta is even poorer than Philadlephia. Defies logic.
Good grief
The city of Atlanta has some concentrations of poverty. But the overall MSA does much better than Philly MSA.
I'm fine, thank you. I've encountered his excellence before on city-data, so I know how he is already. His city is #1!!!!
His city is not even close to number one. These are the true cities in America that stand out!!
1. NYC - the king of the world!
2. LA - I know people are going to bash me for it - but I don't care. Being originally from California, I know what LA is all about.
3. Chicago
4. SF & DC tied
5. Maybe Atlanta, Maybe Houston, Maybe Boston, Maybe Dallas, Maybe Philly, Maybe Miami, Maybe Detroit.
The easiest thing for Angel713 is to move to NYC - then he or she will be the king. But then Angel713 is on top with population, he or she will come up with a "best weather" competition. Then Angel713 will have to move next door to LaMachine.
His city is not even close to number one. These are the true cities in America that stand out!!
1. NYC - the king of the world!
2. LA - I know people are going to bash me for it - but I don't care. Being originally from California, I know what LA is all about.
3. Chicago
4. SF & DC tied
5. Maybe Atlanta, Maybe Houston, Maybe Boston, Maybe Dallas, Maybe Philly, Maybe Miami, Maybe Detroit.
The easiest thing for Angel713 is to move to NYC - then he or she will be the king. But then Angel713 is on top with population, he or she will come up with a "best weather" competition.
So...uh...when did this become about me?
(I'm a he by the way. i was listening to a rap song called angel when i joined this forum, so the name stuck)
I was referring to rainrock as his excellence and feelings of superiority about Philadelphia...not only in this thread, but in any thread that includes Atlanta as an option.
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